I ruined an entire incubator full of eggs last night. I blame myself, but I also blame poor design on the part of Brinsea, IMHO. I had an Octagon 20 with 3 purchased Pilgrim goose eggs, and the rest of the space in the tray was full of 5 Rouen eggs and about a dozen Royal Palm cross turkey eggs -- the duck and turkey were from my own birds. I had the incubator on the turner on my computer hutch in my family room, with the humidity tank and cord sitting above it in one of the "cubby holes" in the desk. I thought this would be a nice, secure, safe place to put it. Sometime in the night last night, it appears that the cord and/or the water hose to the tank got tangled up in the turner, and as it moved, it was tight enough that it pulled the tank down, and that set off a cascade effect. That is my theory, the cord and hose were wrapped up in the turner mechanism, which in the fall was separated from the rest of the incubator parts. Whole thing was upside down on the floor this morning. Almost all of the eggs were smashed -- one goose egg, 3 turkey, and a duck weren't smashed. However, I don't know when this happened, sometime between 10:00 PM and 5:00 AM, and the survivors of the fall were cold. I put them into the other Brinsea, which had about a dozen eggs in it, mostly turkey a couple of duck. But I don't hold out much hope, between the fall and the chill. The ones that didn't make it were sad, because they all were in stages of development. There was a fair amount of blood. It was NOT a good way to start the morning or week. Yes, I do blame myself. I thought it would be a good, secure place to put this incubator, because it seems no matter where I put it, I have problems getting cords and hose tangled. Which leads me to the part where I blame poor design by Brinsea -- this external tank system is not the best idea, IMHO, for this very reason. With both a power cord and a water hose trailing, there is just too much potential to get tangled up and pull things off. Plus the separate power cord for the turner. I regret now that I didn't go with the R-com incubators with the internal tank and turner -- one discrete unit with just a single power cord coming out. The take away lesson is: I need an entirely different set up. A low, solid table with a lip, some way to contain and control the cord mess and keep it out of both my way and the way of the turner. My advice for other Brinsea Octagon 20 EX users -- keep this all in mind when placing your incabutor. And, for those considering this model, also keep this in mind. I'd happily trade both of them for an R-com right now.