Maran cockerel, color and genetic issue

Morgank

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Hi! Trying to ask again, last time I didn't get a specific answer, only that it's not a maran cockerel. (one answered)
I'm hoping to find out do I need to eliminate this cockerel? He's a maran and I think the color is probably splash wheat. I have another cockerel of this color.
Other marans are blue, copper blue, splash, black copper, 3 bloodlines. Hatching eggs were ordered, not my own.
 

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Punkybrewster

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I dont have an answer for you as i only have black copper marans.

My suggestion to you would be to find a marans thread here on byc or maybe even a black copper marans thread as there may be someone who could give you an answer.
 

Morgank

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I dont have an answer for you as i only have black copper marans.

My suggestion to you would be to find a marans thread here on byc or maybe even a black copper marans thread as there may be someone who could give you an answer.
There are dozens of pages of maran colors, but unfortunately not a splash wheatan. This color is hardly written at all. Unfortunately, I don't know genetics, so I need little help in here.
 

Punkybrewster

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There are dozens of pages of maran colors, but unfortunately not a splash wheatan. This color is hardly written at all. Unfortunately, I don't know genetics, so I need little help in here.

Yes. It is hard for me to find specific threads.

Look up 'marans sop thread' and see what comes up. Those are the threads with folks who know a lot about the breed, genetics, coloring, etc.
 

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I'm hoping to find out do I need to eliminate this cockerel? He's a maran and I think the color is probably splash wheat. I have another cockerel of this color.
Hi there. :frow

Marans are great birds.. always said with S at the end whether single or plural after the French town they hail from. :)

I notice you are in the EU.. Will you breeding to the French standard or do you guys have another standard of perfection? As far as I know the color you are showing is not an accepted color variety to the standard.

According to the color of blood lines you mention them coming from.. splash wheaten would not be a possible outcome. They would have to be breeding blue wheaten for splash wheaten to pop up.

Here is a copy of the Australian standard, I reference for the basic genetic information.. they call their black copper, brown red..it is the same variety just called something different.
http://frenchmaransclubaustralia.yolasite.com/notes-on-breeding.php

Do you have a copy of the standard you are breeding to, or are you desiring to work on a project color that folks may like will not be an accepted color for showing??
http://marans.eu/standang.htm

I bred BBS copper Marans for a while to the French standard.. none of splash coppers came out looking like that.. when searching a rare color.. also look at in different breeds to help determine your guidelines. This is often what I must do! I don't use the US SOP for Marans, but it may have photos or other valid information pertaining to your question at hand, so worth giving a glance...

https://maranschickenclubusa.com/

He would not likely be a keeper in my flock.. but he may just be a color variety I'm not familiar with partly due to different locations... NOW, this far in and more research.. I see it's actually called WHEAT and not wheaten!
http://www.feathersite.warui.com/Poultry/CGK/Marans/BRKMarans.html

I THINK if it were a splash wheat.. the chest should be white.. from the lines you mention.. maybe he is a splash copper with an excess amount of copper leakage on the chest.. and this would be my best guess according to the parameters you stated with what little breeding knowledge and experience I do have.. even selecting great parent stock, less than 5% of offspring will be show/breeding quality.

It's always a difficult choice.. for me.. too much color leakage and not enough clear pattern.. looks like short pinkie toe (common in Marans) and slightly feathered middle toe.. If I had other keepers and didn't NEED the genetics.. he'd likely take the honorable place of feeding my family, or whatever method of culling is appropriate for yours.

Hope some of this is super helpful! :fl
 

Morgank

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Hi there. :frow

Marans are great birds.. always said with S at the end whether single or plural after the French town they hail from. :)

I notice you are in the EU.. Will you breeding to the French standard or do you guys have another standard of perfection? As far as I know the color you are showing is not an accepted color variety to the standard.

According to the color of blood lines you mention them coming from.. splash wheaten would not be a possible outcome. They would have to be breeding blue wheaten for splash wheaten to pop up.

Here is a copy of the Australian standard, I reference for the basic genetic information.. they call their black copper, brown red..it is the same variety just called something different.
http://frenchmaransclubaustralia.yolasite.com/notes-on-breeding.php

Do you have a copy of the standard you are breeding to, or are you desiring to work on a project color that folks may like will not be an accepted color for showing??
http://marans.eu/standang.htm

I bred BBS copper Marans for a while to the French standard.. none of splash coppers came out looking like that.. when searching a rare color.. also look at in different breeds to help determine your guidelines. This is often what I must do! I don't use the US SOP for Marans, but it may have photos or other valid information pertaining to your question at hand, so worth giving a glance...

https://maranschickenclubusa.com/

He would not likely be a keeper in my flock.. but he may just be a color variety I'm not familiar with partly due to different locations... NOW, this far in and more research.. I see it's actually called WHEAT and not wheaten!
http://www.feathersite.warui.com/Poultry/CGK/Marans/BRKMarans.html

I THINK if it were a splash wheat.. the chest should be white.. from the lines you mention.. maybe he is a splash copper with an excess amount of copper leakage on the chest.. and this would be my best guess according to the parameters you stated with what little breeding knowledge and experience I do have.. even selecting great parent stock, less than 5% of offspring will be show/breeding quality.

It's always a difficult choice.. for me.. too much color leakage and not enough clear pattern.. looks like short pinkie toe (common in Marans) and slightly feathered middle toe.. If I had other keepers and didn't NEED the genetics.. he'd likely take the honorable place of feeding my family, or whatever method of culling is appropriate for yours.

Hope some of this is super helpful! :fl
I will read again tomorrow your post again, its late in here Europe. Thank you!
 

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Hatching eggs were ordered, not my own.
Any chance of Splash Tailed Buff Maran in the blood line? Neider of the lines you mentioned have Red Breasts on Males, they either have Black/Blue/Splash Breasts. Red Breasts on cockerels means a Columbian restrictor mutation at play and so far the only Columbian restricted line of Marans I know of are the Black Tailed Marans, except he is splash so he is a Splash Tailed Buff Maran(very unlikely) or a cross with another breed that is columbian restricted
 

Morgank

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Hi there. :frow

Marans are great birds.. always said with S at the end whether single or plural after the French town they hail from. :)

I notice you are in the EU.. Will you breeding to the French standard or do you guys have another standard of perfection? As far as I know the color you are showing is not an accepted color variety to the standard.

According to the color of blood lines you mention them coming from.. splash wheaten would not be a possible outcome. They would have to be breeding blue wheaten for splash wheaten to pop up.

Here is a copy of the Australian standard, I reference for the basic genetic information.. they call their black copper, brown red..it is the same variety just called something different.
http://frenchmaransclubaustralia.yolasite.com/notes-on-breeding.php

Do you have a copy of the standard you are breeding to, or are you desiring to work on a project color that folks may like will not be an accepted color for showing??
http://marans.eu/standang.htm

I bred BBS copper Marans for a while to the French standard.. none of splash coppers came out looking like that.. when searching a rare color.. also look at in different breeds to help determine your guidelines. This is often what I must do! I don't use the US SOP for Marans, but it may have photos or other valid information pertaining to your question at hand, so worth giving a glance...

https://maranschickenclubusa.com/

He would not likely be a keeper in my flock.. but he may just be a color variety I'm not familiar with partly due to different locations... NOW, this far in and more research.. I see it's actually called WHEAT and not wheaten!
http://www.feathersite.warui.com/Poultry/CGK/Marans/BRKMarans.html

I THINK if it were a splash wheat.. the chest should be white.. from the lines you mention.. maybe he is a splash copper with an excess amount of copper leakage on the chest.. and this would be my best guess according to the parameters you stated with what little breeding knowledge and experience I do have.. even selecting great parent stock, less than 5% of offspring will be show/breeding quality.

It's always a difficult choice.. for me.. too much color leakage and not enough clear pattern.. looks like short pinkie toe (common in Marans) and slightly feathered middle toe.. If I had other keepers and didn't NEED the genetics.. he'd likely take the honorable place of feeding my family, or whatever method of culling is appropriate for yours.

Hope some of this is super helpful! :fl
Hi! I assume the seller has sourced his birds from Europe. First I put here pictures of his birds, whose hatching eggs I received. The chick on the left is a strange color for me. Others seem to be ok. Where the strange cockerel comes from for me remains a mystery. Everyone has a feathers on the feet, the outer side of the foot and the outer toe, which is allowed. I will add my young birds below, maybe you can see if they are suitable for breeding.
 

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Morgank

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Any chance of Splash Tailed Buff Maran in the blood line? Neider of the lines you mentioned have Red Breasts on Males, they either have Black/Blue/Splash Breasts. Red Breasts on cockerels means a Columbian restrictor mutation at play and so far the only Columbian restricted line of Marans I know of are the Black Tailed Marans, except he is splash so he is a Splash Tailed Buff Maran(very unlikely) or a cross with another breed that is columbian restricted
My 2 month old birds. First picture, pullet back- splash, but there is a spot of red. Does it disappear, or is it not a clean splash? Second picture, in the middle is a splash cockerel, he l has a more gray in the base color. Blue splash? Third is splash cockerel? Fourth is blue lightly copper pullet?
 

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Morgank

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Hi! I assume the seller has sourced his birds from Europe. First I put here pictures of his birds, whose hatching eggs I received. The chick on the left is a strange color for me. Others seem to be ok. Where the strange cockerel comes from for me remains a mystery. Everyone has a feathers on the feet, the outer side of the foot and the outer toe, which is allowed. I will add my young birds below, maybe you can see if they are suitable for breeding.
I found such a photo on the internet- splash wheatan maran. That's why I thought my mutant was the same color. I thought this light neck would come later, otherwise it's the same as my cockerel.
 

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