Marans Genetic Experts BC Marans

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by snowbird, Nov 18, 2010.

  1. snowbird

    snowbird Overrun With Chickens

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    Calling all genetic experts. Would like to know are the Black Copper and the Brown Red Marans one and the same. I know for a fact that you get different results when breeding a Brown Red Chickens , than you do when breeding a Black Copper. So what do the experts say. It would be really nice if someone that had bred both Brown Red and Black Copper would comment. Don
     
  2. ChooksChick

    ChooksChick BeakHouse's Mad Chicken Scientist

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  3. RAREROO

    RAREROO Overrun With Chickens

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    I dont breed them but I'm pretty sure its the same color, Black Copper would just be a hobby name for Brown Red. What differences are you seeing between breeding the two ?
     
  4. snowbird

    snowbird Overrun With Chickens

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    From what I have observed and heard the American Brown Red and the French Black Copper Marans are two entirely different color patterns. When the French say Brown Red it is the same fowl as Black Copper Marans. Don
     
  5. kathyinmo

    kathyinmo Nothing In Moderation

    Quote:What?
    Brown Red = Black Copper yes or no?
    Is that your question?
     
  6. snowbird

    snowbird Overrun With Chickens

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    Quote:What?
    Brown Red = Black Copper yes or no?
    Is that your question?

    Kathy, I am sure you have been reading the marans thread and know what I am talking about. I would like some opinions from Genetics experts on the defference between the Balck Copper and the Brown red. I know the american Brown Red is different from the black Copper but want some verification from some of the Genetics people as this discussion has been going on for at least a year in Marans circles. From what I understand the Black Copper will be judged as A Brown Red when it comes to things not covered by the proposed standard. Don
     
  7. kathyinmo

    kathyinmo Nothing In Moderation

  8. kathyinmo

    kathyinmo Nothing In Moderation

    Quote:What?
    Brown Red = Black Copper yes or no?
    Is that your question?

    Kathy, I am sure you have been reading the marans thread and know what I am talking about. I would like some opinions from Genetics experts on the defference between the Balck Copper and the Brown red. I know the american Brown Red is different from the black Copper but want some verification from some of the Genetics people as this discussion has been going on for at least a year in Marans circles. From what I understand the Black Copper will be judged as A Brown Red when it comes to things not covered by the proposed standard. Don

    I don't follow close enough, or don't pay attention. Sorry, I didn't realize ....
     
  9. Chris09

    Chris09 Circle (M) Ranch

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    According to the Marans of America Club
    There is NO difference between the two and that they are the same breed.

    The BROWN-RED VARIETY (Also called Black Copper-neck, Black Copper, Copper Black & Red Birchen)

    http://maransofamericaclub.com/Black-Copper.php

    The names Black Copper, Black Copper-neck and Copper Black & Red Birchen are all, "generic" hobby names for a Brown Red.

    Chris​
     
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2010
  10. snowbird

    snowbird Overrun With Chickens

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    Quote:http://maransofamericaclub.com/Black-Copper.php

    The names Black Copper, Black Copper-neck and Copper Black & Red Birchen are all, "generic" hobby names for a Brown Red.

    Chris

    Chris, we have been through all this before and what I am looking for is the Genetic chart for the Black Copper and the American Brown red pattern and they are in fact different.

    I sure wish Henk and or Tim would drop by and see this . Don
     

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