Meat birds as ART ???

Discussion in 'Meat Birds ETC' started by tweetysvoice, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. tweetysvoice

    tweetysvoice Chillin' With My Peeps

    Dec 30, 2011
    Lawrence, KS
    My Coop
    I'd love to get ya'll opinion on what's going on in my town (I'm embarrassed by this, BTW).

    City law interpretation spares lives of chickens slated for slaughter in public display of art

    A public slaughtering of chickens won’t happen inside Lawrence city limits after a local artist was warned her planned art project could subject her to a fine under the city’s animal cruelty ordinance.
    Amber Hansen, the artist proposing “The Story of Chickens: A Revolution,” said Monday she will be changing her public art event in order to comply with city code.
    But the project will move forward, Hansen said, and will do so in a way that draws attention to the process of slaughtering animals.
    “If people choose to eat meat, it is an important process to witness and be mindful of,” Hansen said. “It is a process that takes place on a mass scale everyday, and we aren’t really allowed to see it.”
    And don’t expect to see it on a Lawrence street or even on a piece of private property anytime soon. Assistant City Attorney Chad Sublet confirmed he informed Hansen a public slaughtering of chickens would be interpreted as a violation of the city’s animal cruelty code, which states it is illegal for “any person to willfully or maliciously kill any domesticated animal.”
    Under the city’s code, chickens are considered domesticated fowl.
    “I think one could argue there is a freedom of expression interest here, but I think under our obligations to protect the health, safety and public welfare it is an activity we can regulate,” said Sublet, who added preventing animal cruelty is a “significant public interest.”
    Sublet also said the keeping of any chicken on private property would require Hansen to abide by local codes that regulate the number and manner in which chickens can be housed in the city.
    Original plans called for a coop of chickens to be displayed at various locations around town, and volunteers would help care for the birds. The exhibit was slated to end with public slaughtering of the birds, which then would be served up as a meal.
    Sublet reviewed the legal issues at the request of Hansen. The artist said she doesn’t plan to challenge the city’s interpretation.
    “People can raise chickens and eat meat in the city limits, but this event can’t take place,” Hansen said. “So, it raises a different set of questions for me.”
    Hansen on Monday said she was finalizing details of what her event would include. She said she plans to release details in the next day or so after meeting with other partners. She said she still plans to have an event at the Percolator art gallery, 913 R.I.
    Hansen’s project, which was reported in the Journal-World earlier this month, has drawn concern from Lawrence’s Compassion for All Animals Group, and from a group called United Poultry Concerns.
    “There has been a lot of feedback,” Hansen said of comments she has received. “There has been a lot of meaningful dialogue and discussion and that is good. The project will move forward to accommodate that discussion, but it will abide by the city’s codes.”
    The fine for violating the city’s animal cruelty code can be up to $1,000 and six months in jail, Sublet said.
  2. booker81

    booker81 Redneck Tech Girl

    Apr 18, 2010
    I think it's a good thing she put forth, at least to get folks to understand what meat is.

    I don't expect different however from a city, any city, where the the citizens have minimal to no connection to their meat sources. The knee-jerk of "OMG a chicken will DIE!!!" is pretty typical for those who just aren't used to the raising and slaughter of livestock.

    “If people choose to eat meat, it is an important process to witness and be mindful of,” Hansen said. “It is a process that takes place on a mass scale everyday, and we aren’t really allowed to see it.”

    That pretty much nails it. Meat is taken for granted. The lives of animals and the work to grow them is "hidden" and not discussed. It's taboo. Quite honestly, many folks just can't stomach it, though many can once they understand and open their eyes to the process (and for the most part, they turn to homegrown and humanely raise meat). I have no issue with folks who chose to avoid meat, but I think it's an important thing to learn where meat comes from and choose to support humanely raised meat.
  3. tweetysvoice

    tweetysvoice Chillin' With My Peeps

    Dec 30, 2011
    Lawrence, KS
    My Coop
    I have no issues with meat birds being eat all, but her quote: “If people choose to eat meat, it is an important process to witness and be mindful of,” Hansen said. “It is a process that takes place on a mass scale everyday, and we aren’t really allowed to see it.” makes me think that she's a vegan and doesn't actually support the butchering of birds for meat. I have this feeling that she's doing it for a political type agenda versus actually teaching. I just can't imagine the public wanting to go to an exhibition and watching the slaughter of the chickens.
  4. JenellYB

    JenellYB Chillin' With My Peeps

    I've butchered my own birds and have no problem with it, But, I DO agree a PUBLIC "execution" and butchering like this is inappropriate. Not in public space in public 'demonstrations' where even young children, unprepared and not ready for seeing that, will be there. Even my own young children, we were careful to introduce them to butchering out meat animals at an appropriate age, and with the whole picture what it was about, before they were allowed to witness the slaughter and processing.
    I agree people need to be aware what eating meat is really about, where it comes from. and I'm much concerned myself about some of the humane issues in how many meat animals are raised and handled. But sensitive young minds not ready to understand all that shouldn't just suddenly see an animal killed and butvchered in public with no preparation.
    tweety'svoice, I tend to agree with you, this a vegan or even PETA style activist stunt intended for shock value.

    An example I just son ate fish when he was little, like everyone else. But at around age 2 1/2, he had not yet made the connection between 'fish' on the plate and 'fish' he watched swimming in aquariums and pools. We took him fishing, as we had before, but didn't realize until later he had not really been paying much attention to the 'sequence of events' between catching the fish, placing them on stringers to swim in water, and ultimately cleaning for the table later. We decided to give him his own little pole to catch a fish, and he did, a little sunperch, barely big enough to eat, but we thought he'd be proud to eat his first caught fish. But as he caught it and pulled it in, it became "HIS" fish....we didn't understand what he meant wasn't what we meant by that! He admired his fish, watched it swim on the stronger, watched with interest when we took it out and laid it up on a board, and to his absolute HORROR, CUT ITS HEAD OFF!!!! He screamed in horror! Was inconsolable! Not just simply at 'losing' his fish, but that we had MURDERED it right in front of him, him unsuspecting! To this day, my son, now 38 yrs old, has never eaten fish or anything else that ever lived/swam in the water! He cannot stand to even go to a seafood restuarnat with others, even to order non-fish diner for himself. He never got over that, and I've felt so bad, we TRAUMATIZED him!
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2012
  5. 4-H chicken mom

    4-H chicken mom Overrun With Chickens

    Aug 3, 2007
    Oberlin, OH

    Well said booker81. :clap
  6. Yukonchick

    Yukonchick Chillin' With My Peeps

    Hmmm, interesting. I don't know whether its cruel to the chickens, slaughtering them in public. I guess it depends on the way they're killed. Nobody likes to see a creature suffer unecessarily. If they're gonna wring their necks, that would be cruel. I think its cruel to the neighborhood little kids who end of seeing it happen. That could be traumatic for them. [​IMG]
  7. jdywntr

    jdywntr Chillin' With My Peeps

    Oct 31, 2009
    Somerville, AL
    I think that if this person wants to educate people to the process of slaughtering, then she could hold a workshop not an "exhibition". Holding an informative session as opposed to an Art exhibition are different and different outcomes would be expected. I would have to agree that the "artist" has some type of an agenda. I would love to know more about this and the reasoning behind it.
  8. DCasper

    DCasper Chillin' With My Peeps

    Jan 13, 2012
    Benton, KY
    Here in Western Kentucky, we have hog killings which is a reason for people to get together and to have the opportunity to learn from the experience. It gives people a chance to meet other people with similar interests and to have a good time. However, I have never heard of one being used as art or for any other reason other than eduation and socializing. I also have never heard of anyone attending one in order to protest or save the hog.
  9. tweetysvoice

    tweetysvoice Chillin' With My Peeps

    Dec 30, 2011
    Lawrence, KS
    My Coop
    It seems as if there was a public outrage at actually slaughtering them in public view and the art exhibition has been canceled:

    It does seem like she's going to go more of the educating people about chicken care route now.. which is an awesome thing, so maybe this will turn out to be something good.
  10. Yukonchick

    Yukonchick Chillin' With My Peeps

    Ya really. I remember some years ago, this guy in Vancouver wanted to drop a 1000lb weight on a mouse placed on a canvas board. It didn't happen, LOL! Thats pretty morbid. The public outcry put a stop to that one.[​IMG]

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