MG Certified hatcheries/breeders?

Discussion in 'Chicken Breeders & Hatcheries' started by X2Farm, Nov 21, 2011.

  1. X2Farm

    X2Farm Songster

    Jul 6, 2010
    Homer, GA
    After DH, the kids and myself going through what we just did this weekend, I do NOT want to have to deal with this issue again. I'm doing everything I can to prevent it in the future. That includes only purchasing stock from MG certified sources. It seems none of the big hatcheries are certified for MG, and the list of breeders here on BYC, certified, is small as well.

    I know theres always a chance wild birds can bring MG onto the property, but at least if I have all my bases covered, it will be easier to control. (MG infection was confirmed by State Lab testing last week)

    Do breeders/hatcheries just not see this as a threat?

    Kinda makes me wonder why more don't do this, when they already get NPIP certified.

    For those that don't know what MG is, its Mycoplasma Gallisepticum
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2011
  2. vnsseed

    vnsseed Songster

    Feb 12, 2009
    New Hampshire
    I saw your post in the Dorking thread... that stinks..

    We are NPIP and our State offers testing for MG:

    I'll have to ask my wife if she has this test done... and if not, we may have them do it when they come to test in the Spring. I can keep you posted, if you wish.
  3. MudgesMom

    MudgesMom In the Brooder

    Aug 3, 2011
    We dealt with MG back in June,we ended up culling 170+ birds. However, in a separate coop on a diffident part of the property we had a brooding coop, with 10 Modern game bird bantams & 1 Delaware hen sitting on eggs. They remained MG free. After researching we had found that you can give your eggs a tylan bath. Before we destroyed the birds we separated the birds we would want to have in the future, we allowed them to mate and we collected the eggs. Once we gathered about 40 eggs we gave the eggs a tylan bath and with the greatest sadness, that I absolutely cannot describe, destroyed our birds. (Trying to keep this clinical without the emotionalism, so I won't go into that aspect)
    We were released from quarantine by the state and completely MG free!!!!!

    With our research there was 1 farm that we found in the US that is NPIP and MG certified clean.

    After many e-mails and phone calls we are currently following certain procedures to maintain our MG free flock. There are some issues in dealing with your state ag dept. Ours (NC) is fantastic- problem is there really isn't much of a precedent established for the small flock non- commercial farm. The all in all out method is not realistic and poses a great risk.

    Ours will give us all the support we need but there really is a lot involved and a great deal of risk especially since our birds are open ranged. We are building our new flock by bringing in really good hatching eggs and doing the tylan 'shock' bath treatments. We're still not sure if being certified MG is worth it. We would have to blood test every 30 days. Some places 90 days.
  4. X2Farm

    X2Farm Songster

    Jul 6, 2010
    Homer, GA
    Congrats to yall Mudges. I'm glad yall were able to get rid of MG. Hate yall had to go through that. Its beyond words how awful it is [​IMG]

    I am grateful I had 6 newer adults quarantined in a different coop. I will have them all tested in 30 days, just to be sure something didn't float over and get to them as well.

    Putting down my kids pets was the worst thing. I do not want to go through that again. If we can't maintain MG free here, then I guess I'll just have my own flock for us, I can't do this all again.

    I guess I hadn't even thought about MG being something that is a reportable issue in other states. Its not here in GA.

    This seems to be something that will really narrow down our choices on who we get poultry from in the future.

    VNS, I would definetly appreciate if yall would keep me posted.

    I hope more folks do some reading, and at least get some information on issues such as this. Too many times I've mentioned an illness only to have folks go "Whats that?" Not even having done any looking into before plunging into poultry full tilt.

    Self education can go a long way.
  5. MudgesMom

    MudgesMom In the Brooder

    Aug 3, 2011
    I just wanted to let you know we have ordered birds and most of our original birds came from Ideal Hatchery all healthy and clean. Great customer service and the total is given before you pay. We got our games from them too.

    The birds that brought the MG into our flock came from a nearby NPIP farm. There were six birds we kept them separate for 3 months, after mixing them with our flock we had terrible weather(tornado) and that is all it took for the MG to become symptomatic. It was a violent strain of MG and spread rapidly.

    Most people that are part of the NPIP program do not know about MG or that they can go on a MG testing program.
    Most people will say we're NPIP so we're tested for everything. NOT TRUE
    NPIP is a great program but only test for Pullorum/Typhoid and in some states AI.
    When we contacted the breeder he didn't know what MG was, when we described it and gave him info, he said "oh, that's what that is? I thought they just had a cold"
    He will not have testing done because he will have to shut his business down til it's cleaned up.

    The good news is chickens don't die from MG! MG is world wide. The threat is to the commercial industry.

    We also had some birds from Welp, (through a dealer) we wouldn't use them again.
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  6. gootziecat

    gootziecat Songster

    Nov 27, 2007
    Hampshire Co, WV
    After researching we had found that you can give your eggs a tylan bath.

    Would you give a more indepth description of this treatment? What is the dilution? How long is the egg(s) exposed/ submerged?

    Thank you.​
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  7. pips&peeps

    pips&peeps There is no "I" in Ameraucana

    Jan 18, 2008
    Newman Lake, WA
    Quote:There are NO backyard, exhibition poutry farms that are certified "MG Free". They can be MG monitored, but there is no classification for subpart E in the NPIP regulations for "MG Free".

    Being monitored does not necessarily mean the place is MG free. It means a handful of birds are tested every couple months and they are clean. I don't even know if the MG testing they do is accurate if the bird does not have a current infection.
  8. MudgesMom

    MudgesMom In the Brooder

    Aug 3, 2011
    There are two ways the ag dept and Npip test for MG

    thru Npip they will do a blood draw, if there is a pos. then a swab test is done.
    the swab is more accurate but much more expensive. therfore the bloodtest is done first, also if a chicken has been vac against MG the blood test will give a pos, so the swab or PCR test is done.
    You must also have authorization for MG vaccines from your state vet (at least in our state you do). MG vaccines do not prevent MG basically they can still get it but it reduces the symptoms and slows the transmission.
    MG is bacterial not viral and it can be carried on shoes, tires, clothing, hair etc. It can live in hair for 3 days, water up to 9.

    The reason for only a percentage of birds is because if they are caged, roam, or are penned together if 1 has it they all will. On our farm we had distinct areas for our birds and this is how part of our flock remained clean. We were using good bio-security methods in our brooder/ Nursery coop.

    Not all birds will ever show symptoms,but will be carriers.
    Transmission rate vertically is low (hen to egg) but it does depend on last out break and how many weeks.

    MG free is basically saying you do run a testing program and have successfully produced neg results and no MG bacterium is currently present.

    Our state (if you opt for the program) believes too much can happen in 90 days, they want 30 day testing. If there is a pos. in any group the whole establishment will be quarantined. Close or kill your flock.

    And yes Whitmore Farms does have a testing program and not just for MG.

    Because no-one is willing to really take the time and risk and financial strain this is why there isn't a lot about this. We are hoping to establish a way that would encourage others to want to produce (for lack of a better term) "clean" stock. However it is a heated debate especially among those who exhibit. I respect peoples opinions on the matter.

    The recipe for the Tylan Bath is something I will have to go look for in my "chicken notebook" I have two. I'll look for it today and forward any links.
  9. pips&peeps

    pips&peeps There is no "I" in Ameraucana

    Jan 18, 2008
    Newman Lake, WA
    Quote:No, that is not correct:

    (c) U.S. M. Gallisepticum Clean. (1) A
    flock maintained in compliance with
    the provisions of § 147.26 of this chapter
    and in which freedom from M.
    gallisepticum has been demonstrated
    under the criteria specified in paragraph
    (c)(1)(i) or (ii) of this section.
    (i) It is a flock in which all birds or
    a sample of at least 300 birds has been
    tested for M. gallisepticum as provided
    in § 145.14(b) when more than 4 months
    of age: Provided, That to retain this
    classification, a minimum of 150 birds
    shall be tested at intervals of not more
    than 90 days: And provided further, That
    a sample comprised of less than 150
    birds may be tested at any one time, if
    all pens are equally represented and a
    total of 150 birds is tested within each
    90-day period; or
    (ii) It is a multiplier breeding flock
    which originated as U.S. M.
    Gallisepticum Clean chicks from primary
    breeding flocks and from which a
    sample comprised of a minimum of 150
    birds per flock has been tested for M.
    gallisepticum as provided in § 145.14(b)
    when more than 4 months of age: Provided,
    That to retain this classification,
    the flock shall be subjected to one
    of the following procedures:
    (A) At intervals of not more than 90
    days, 75 birds from the flock shall be
    tested, Provided, that fewer than 75
    birds from the flock may be tested at
    any one time if all pens are equally
    represented and a total of at least 75
    birds from the flock is tested within
    each 90-day period; or
    (B) At intervals of not more than 30
    days, a sample of 25 cull chicks produced
    from the flock shall be subjected
    to laboratory procedures acceptable to
    the Official State Agency and approved
    by the Service, for the detection and
    recovery of M. gallisepticum; or
    (C) At intervals of not more than 30
    days, egg yolk testing shall be conducted
    in accordance with § 147.8 of this
    (2) A participant handling U.S. M.
    Gallisepticum Clean products shall
    keep these products separate from
    other products in a manner satisfactory
    to the Official State Agency: Provided,
    That U.S. M. Gallisepticum
    Clean chicks from primary breeding
    flocks shall be produced in incubators
    and hatchers in which only eggs from
    flocks qualified under paragraph
    (c)(1)(i) of this section are set.
    (3) U.S. M. Gallisepticum Clean
    chicks shall be boxed in clean boxes
    and delivered in trucks that have been
    cleaned and disinfected as described in
    § 147.24(a) of this chapter.​
  10. seminolewind

    seminolewind Flock Mistress

    Sep 6, 2007
    Corydon, Indiana
    Jean, how prevalent is MG? Does it spread from on the egg or in the egg?

    I think most hatcheries we know get eggs from various farmers(?) and hatch them. I wonder what the controls are on their eggs coming in?

    Anyone ?

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