The chickens are in a 6×12 dog kennel right now and we are building a new coop soon and therefore also a bigger run. I found what I think is a great price on hardware cloth on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000...olid=2PTMX313RM103&coliid=I2I6JO5XUS420Z&vs=1 Or this one but I like the first one https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001...olid=2PTMX313RM103&coliid=I27ZDWKXRUVYYT&vs=1 And I have seen tons of people make wood framed HC runs and thought that I could do that. I know most people that do it probably make smaller runs but I thought maybe we could make a 8x50 foot run which I know is huge but at $92/roll and getting 3 rolls it would be $276. Not too bad. My dad however first of all didn't understand doubling up the wire for 6 feet tall or how you would do it and has never understood that concept. No matter how many times I tell him everyone makes wood framed runs he thinks I'm crazy and seems to think it should be like a fence using metal fence posts. So that has been an issue for months. And second of all I just discovered yesterday that he does not think that it would be as secure as a dog kennel. I thought it was the cost but nope, he just doesn't think it is secure. In my opinion, the hardware cloth is a smarter investment because like I said it is less than $300 for a way bigger run. Most dog kennels I have seen on Craigslist range from $100 up to $400 or $500 with most being in between, $200 or $300. Most of these are 6x12 or 6x10 but a couple have been 12×24 and one was 24x24. But I don't know, just, imo, you could make a much bigger and much nicer looking run with hardware cloth. But he thinks it is not secure and also thinks we have some HC already. So I guess my question is is a hardware cloth run secure? To me it seems it would be as secure or more secure than chainlink. Another thing for me is the secure thing is somewhat moot because we hardly have any coyotes and only one fox. We have skunks and I think raccoons but they have not tried anything yet. We have a big 130 pound dog though but he is not allowed near the chickens and even if he was, I think hardware cloth would deter him??? I mean I know chicken wire is not at all secure but I thought hardware cloth was? Anyone have pictures of their runs and/or stories??? Maybe someone has used this where there ARE large predators?????