Moyers K-22 vs Ideals Red Broiler

Discussion in 'Meat Birds ETC' started by guitari609, Dec 5, 2010.

  1. guitari609

    guitari609 Out Of The Brooder

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    I'm sort of starting up a plan to produce free-range whole grain fed meat birds in my area. I have tons of interest. Everyone I talk to about it, wants some, almost immediately. This fall I've done sort of a test on the typical cornish crosses, but using the pastured method, Salatin style. I've not been very satisfied with the overall result of the system. The meat produced is fine, nice plump birds, 6lbs or a bit more at 11 weeks (yes, I waited too long, I've been working like a mad man to get my plucker built. I've long ago learned that hand plucking is not the way to go.) One thing I dont like is that I have to move them at least twice a day, even at more than 2 square feet per bird, and still end up with birds covered in poo. This doesn't look good to consumers. I'm planning on building a tractor large enough to hold either 250 or 500 birds that I move on acre paddocks every so often, depending on circumstances. I've also learned that these birds tend to have a lot of issues, especially with the legs, and with what appear to be heart attacks. Once they got over 8 weeks or so, large, healthy looking birds would just drop dead.

    My question is, does any one have any experience with either the Moyer K-22 or the Ideal Red Broiler? I understand that supposedly these dont have the leg problems that the normal cornish crosses do. I'm specifically wanting to know if they have reasonable weight gain. I'm aiming for 6 lbs at 10 weeks on average. Also, will they roost? Mine now could not roost if they wanted to. I really would like a meat bird that can roost, to prevent filthy carcasses, even if it's only 6 inches off the ground. Also, is there any info on how the carcasses look dressed being red instead of white? I assume a well plucked red bird would look just as good as a white, as I've had speckled sussex that I've dressed out that look just fine, obviously with much less meat though.

    I'm just curious if there are folks with experience regarding these out there. The k-22 is almost half the price of the ideal bird, but the ideal bird claims better productivity. I'm not sure. Heres links to the too birds:

    https://secuservices.com/ideal/newideal/selectproduct.aspx?qty=1&ID=RBS&Product=402

    http://www.moyerschicks.com/MC-Web/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=37
     
  2. knjinnm

    knjinnm Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Why 6 lbs at 10 weeks? What did the birds weigh at 8 weeks? Get them out and have the next two week old batch ready to move into the tractors.
    Joe
     
  3. guitari609

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    This is true. I dont know, personally I just prefer a 6 lb bird to a 5 lb bird, nicer meatier carcass and all, just my experience. I'm not as concerned about the two weeks as the quality and size of the carcass. Ideal claims their broiler can hit 6 lbs in 7 wks, the Moyer claims 5 lbs in 8, so it should be able to get 6 lb in 10. However the Ideal bird is twice the cost of the Moyer. I'm mostly concerned about the ranging abilities of the two vs the carcasses. I just know that the sussex I have processed are just not hardly worth messing with as far as the table quality, and the last thing I want to do is raise free-ranged bird that doesn't meet my quality expectations.
     
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  4. CDennis

    CDennis Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I have 1 month old red broilers from Ideal. I doubt they will be that weight at 10 weeks but it would be great to be wrong. If nobody else has experience I will butcher one at 10 weeks to give you an idea of how big they get. For sure they are healthy, no medical issues yet.
     
  5. guitari609

    guitari609 Out Of The Brooder

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    What sort of survival rate so far?
     
  6. eKo_birdies

    eKo_birdies Chillin' With My Peeps

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    someone here is also raising kosher kings.. you could look up their thread
     
  7. kooltex

    kooltex Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I raised some of Ideal's. You may get a few to reach that weight at 10 weeks, but not all. Mine were inconsistant. Out of 30, I had 4 that were really large, but most of them were in the 4.5 lb range at 11 weeks. I only butchered the roos, I kept my hens back to breed to. They are good and meaty especially the dark meat, but they didn't all grow the same. Just my experience. They do free range well!
     
  8. CDennis

    CDennis Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Well it would be 31 out of 31 but I had a not so intelligent moment and lost 3 of them.
     
  9. Peruvian

    Peruvian Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I raised a small number of K-22s with Cornish X last year as a test. Raised them on pasture to 11 wks if I remember. They all lived and were much more 'chickeny' than the Cornish. They had a much fuller flavor as well but the breasts were long and lean compared to the CX and the legs/thighs were a greater percentage of the meat.

    Here is the report (warning graphic pics). I guess I never compared them after processing though.
     
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