i've seen this discussion a few times and rather than divert from another topic i thought id start a new thread. i would love to here everyone's opinion in if they think that bronze and sepia are in fact the same gene or two different genes the bronze or sepia debate is interesting. i have seen discussions that the leg colouring might be the difference between the two, yellow meaning sepia, bronze tinting meaning bronze? wild type and atipico may effect the colouring. out of the few shades of bronze that i have here, two have lots of green sheening to their back feathers, yellow legs and the "red lipstick" on their beaks. the other has almost no green sheen, more a milk chocolate shade with a plain pink beak, no "red lipstick". does this mean two different genes of simply just two different variations of the colour, similar to a dark and light blue? bronze drake with "red lipstick" bronze duck, no "red lipstick", hardly and green sheen at the front. rear is a darker bronze young bronze barred duck around 5 months. so i guess the question is, looking at the four different colours above, is one sepia, is one bronze, or are they all the same?