Mutts or lilacs?

Discussion in 'Turkeys' started by southerngamebirds1, Jul 25, 2010.

  1. southerngamebirds1

    southerngamebirds1 Out Of The Brooder

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    I was given a turkey of unknown variety. The closest thing I could find on feathersite was a lilac turkey
    I bred it to a standard bronze hen. The babies are silver with a touch of brown like th picture of lilac poults on feThersite. My confusion is this: they say that there is only one breed of turkey but different varieties. So are they called mutts are do I call the babies lilacs?
     
  2. Sir Birdaholic

    Sir Birdaholic Night Knight

    You need to talk to Lagerdogger. He has the answers! I think you have to shine a spotlight with a turkey shadow in the air to contact him though. [​IMG]
     
  3. Lagerdogger

    Lagerdogger Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Nice spotlight Birdahollkdier...oops. Tripped over my cape [​IMG]

    A lilac turkey is a bronze based bird with double dominant slate genes. If you produced a bird by breeding with a standard bronze, which has no slate genes, then you can't have a true lilac. However, blue slates only need to have a single slate gene for the slate to show through. Unfortunately, you don't have a true blue slate either, because they have Black genes instead of bronze. However again, since only a single slate gene is required to bring out the blue, if you croassed a bronze with a lilac, it could still look like a lilac even though it only has one slate gene. The difference is that if yo breed a lilac to a lilac, you always get lilacs. If you bred two of your offspring, assuming your first bird was a true lilac, you would get some true lilacs, some lilacs with a recessive "not slate" gene, and some standard bronze.

    Can you post a picture of your original bird?
     
  4. Sir Birdaholic

    Sir Birdaholic Night Knight

    HA TOLD YA! [​IMG] [​IMG] to Lagerdogger [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  5. Lagerdogger

    Lagerdogger Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Uh oh! Stop the Kudos.

    I don't raise lilacs, so I looked at Porters Turkeys to check on the genetics. The information at feathersite suggests a different genetic makeup than the information at Porters, but feathersite doesn't actually say what genes are responsible for all the different varieties that can be produce.

    However, since feathersite lists four offspring in equal proportion, from which fawn and red slate breed true, and Lilac and light bronze do not, they are implying that the lilac is heterozygous at both the bronze and slate gene. Another contradiction, Porter claims that red slate is heterozygous at the slate gene, and so would not breed true. Feathersite's Red slate must be homozygous to breed true. But if it were homozygous at teh slate gene, it would be what Porter's calls a Lilac.

    Hmmmm. Mystery.

    I should have looked more before I leapt, but I saw the searchlight and moved without caution. This will take some looking into.
     
  6. southerngamebirds1

    southerngamebirds1 Out Of The Brooder

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    Don't think I have a still shot of him but I do have a video clip of him mounting an ee chicken. I ways hoping for turkey that laid green eggs. J/k. I cud iPhone it to u via mms or email
     
  7. Nava

    Nava I Got The Naked Neck Blues

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    Quote:Hey you still looked good with that cape, giving advice [​IMG]
     
  8. Nava

    Nava I Got The Naked Neck Blues

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    Quote:hey I want to see that too!!!!
     
  9. southerngamebirds1

    southerngamebirds1 Out Of The Brooder

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    So thru all that techno speak, what do I call my turkeys that look like lilacs but are just blue turkeys with a red band across tail?
     
  10. southerngamebirds1

    southerngamebirds1 Out Of The Brooder

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    Maybe I can send it to somebody and they post on here for me. I have still shots on my iPhone of the new poults but I don't know how to upload them from iPhone
     

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