My great pyrs, littermates, who I had great hopes for, are 5 1/2 months old. I had to leave them unsupervised due to an emergency and I had my young pea's that had only been out since the day before and a couple of hens that escaped when I let my guineas out. I have worked and worked with them and still not seeming to gain any ground. They will NOT listen to NO when it comes to the birds. I tried using a shock collar yesterday but apparently I didnt have it tight enuff or something, as it didnt work. I need to get it a little tighter or shave their hair a bit where the connectors are. Anyhow we got home, and I realize leaving the pups unsupervised was a mistake but I am wondering if they are still redeemable or not. I got home and found my girl chewing on something, and acting furtive about it. They DO know they are not supposed to mess with the birds, and its weird, if they come in the house they dont seem to mess with the ones running about, but when outside anything if fair game. I went over to see, my heart sinking and all that was left of my young peahen was a foot. Went looking more and nothing was left but little piles, she wasnt not even identifiable except the feet. Then another pile of feathers from a laying hen I had. I couldnt even discipline them as it was over and was nothing left and I didnt catch them in the act. They had one "accident" before where they killed a hen, but that was them overplaying with her. This was kill and eat. I just dont know if this is something I can break them of, and want a few folks to chime in on what they think. I fear for my other pea's now, altho they do watch out for the dogs, I know they still are in danger, and I have one left of the young ones that is new to being "out". I really got them to help keep other predators away, and to watch the property, which they excel at. They are really good dogs other than that, good with my 4 year niece, loving to us, mind fairly well or are coming along anyway, and I do love them, but my birds came first. I have done the "on the leash to take care of the birds thing" but have never actually taken them on a leash and sat in the coop or pen. I have done it in the yard when the birds are free ranging. When they were younger I could almost trust them while I had the birds free ranging and now its like its open season. I have sat with them both for many hours while "exposing" them to the birds, chicks, etc running around them. I am willing to put in more time, I am just confused and this is getting serious. I realize they are still pups too, but they seem to have a pretty high prey drive..i.e. chasing down and killing a rabbit, young baby birds that are trying to learn to fly, etc. I need some more tips, pointers, etc. on where to go from here.