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  1. Ladyhawke1

    Ladyhawke1 Chillin' With My Peeps

    I didn't vote for HOMELAND SECURITY, did you? [​IMG]
     
  2. iajewel

    iajewel Chillin' With My Peeps

    Oct 22, 2008
    Corning IA
    Neither did congress.. Like the IRS congrass deemed the Patriot act unconsitutional.
    Untill we get rid of the Patriot act that basically makes our consitution null and void.. we will have things like NAIS, Real Id and other issues.
    "We the People" have a voice, sad things is we use it to e-mail our freinds on the internet and tell them how ticked off we are insted of calling and writting a LETTER to those that can chage things if they know "We the people" are watching.

    Here is the latest on the NAIS home front

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    USDA Reneges on Promise to Keep NAIS Voluntary



    Producers Request APHIS/Congress Retract Unlawful Memo Mandating Participation



    Washington, D.C. – In a formal letter issued Monday, Nov. 10, 2008, R-CALF USA has requested that the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s (USDA’s) Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service-Veterinary Services (APHIS-VS) immediate retract Memorandum No. 575.19 issued on Sept. 22, 2008, on the grounds that the memo “constitutes an unlawful, final regulatory action initiated and implemented without public notice or opportunity for comment, as required by the Administrative Procedure Act.”



    Also receiving the formal letter were Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, who chairs the Senate Agriculture Committee, and Rep. Collin Peterson, D-Minn., who chairs the House Agriculture Committee, as well as the ranking members of each committee. Additionally, animal health officials in each state received a copy of R-CALF USA’s correspondence.



    “The effect of this memo is that premises registration under NAIS (National Animal Identification System) is now mandatory for producers engaged in interstate commerce and who participate in any one of the dozen or more regulated disease programs, despite APHIS’ express promise to the industry and to Congress that NAIS would remain a voluntary system,” said R-CALF USA President/Region VI Director Max Thornsberry, a Missouri veterinarian who also chairs the group’s animal health committee.



    This memo declares that the Premises Identification Number (PIN) established under the agency’s NAIS “is to be the sole and standard location identifier for all VS program activities,” and that premises “will be registered in the NAIS.”


    “This agency action by APHIS is unlawful,” Thornsberry emphasized. “We request immediate retraction of this memo, and we additionally request that APHIS be directed to immediately inform each state animal health official that the agency no longer is requiring the registration of premises as a condition of producer participation in regulated animal disease programs, or for any other purpose.”

    Note: To view/download R-CALF USA’s letter or the APHIS-VS memorandum, please visit the “Animal Identification” link at www.r-calfusa.com, or contact R-CALF USA Communications Coordinator Shae Dodson to request a copy.


    R-CALF USA (Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund, United Stockgrowers of America) is a national, non-profit organization dedicated to ensuring the continued profitability and viability of the U.S. cattle industry. R-CALF USA represents thousands of U.S. cattle producers on trade and marketin! g issues. Members are located across 47 states and are primarily cow/calf operators, cattle backgrounders, and/or feedlot owners. R-CALF USA has dozens of affiliate organizations and various main-street businesses are associate members. R-CALF USA directors and committee chairs are extremely active unpaid volunteers. For more information, visit www.r-calfusa.com or, call 406-252-2516.
     
  3. Ladyhawke1

    Ladyhawke1 Chillin' With My Peeps

    Quote:I am glad someone knows their Constitution. People need to understand that it stands for ALL of the people. You do not deny to other people that which you demand for yourself. That premise is not well understood my most people.

    Thank you for your knowledgeable answer to my porously vague question. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  4. waynesgarden

    waynesgarden Feathers of Steel

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    Quote:What, exactly, does that mean? Neither the IRS nor Congress declares laws unconstitutional.

    Congress passed the Patriot Act. The Supreme Court settles questions of constitutionality. The IRS has nothing to do with the issue.

    Wayne
     
  5. SewingDiva

    SewingDiva Chillin' With My Peeps

    *sigh*

    Folks - I realize this is a hot button topic but please go read the offical information on NAIS in the Federal Register. You can look it up for yourself right here Just search on the most recent volume (2008) and put NAIS in the query box

    No one should consider a press release as legally factual.

    Phyllis
     
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  6. iajewel

    iajewel Chillin' With My Peeps

    Oct 22, 2008
    Corning IA
    I would also suggest actually reading the consitution.. you can look up bills in the house at www.thomas.org..
    I think the bottom line isn't about arguing on this site or any site about this or any issue. It is about getting informed, and then making informed choices.. Just like buying chickens.. you get your information, then deside what you want to buy, and how deep you want to get into it.
     
  7. SewingDiva

    SewingDiva Chillin' With My Peeps

    Quote:Let me explain: This is a legal issue within the jurisdiction of the administrative law system and not a constitutional legal matter per se (e.g. the Supreme Court would not be involved.) Congress has delegated this legal authority to the agency that would administer NIAS. Looking up the enabling congressional legislation on NAIS will not inform anyone on how to support or oppose it.

    Notices of public hearings and opportunities for public comment as they relate to agency regulations are noted in the Federal Register.


    Phyllis
     
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  8. iajewel

    iajewel Chillin' With My Peeps

    Oct 22, 2008
    Corning IA
    You must have some how missed the fact that it IS in the supream court right now where they are desiding if the 7 consitutional rights it violats will allow the program to continue.. so.. duh.. ya.. its a consitutional matter becuse the supream court says it is.

    Try this link.. it will get you up to date on lots of stuff, even the supream court hearing on NAIS.

    http://farmandranchfreedom.org/content/articles-and-newsletters
     
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  9. Ladyhawke1

    Ladyhawke1 Chillin' With My Peeps

    Quote:Let me explain: This is a legal issue within the jurisdiction of the administrative law system and not a constitutional legal matter per se (e.g. the Supreme Court would not be involved.) Congress has delegated this legal authority to the agency that would administer NIAS. Looking up the enabling congressional legislation on NAIS will not inform anyone on how to support or oppose it.

    Notices of public hearings and opportunities for public comment as they relate to agency regulations are noted in the Federal Register.


    Phyllis

    Listen I know these things cannot be discussed here rationally. However, you have an issue of privacy here, especially when they want to tag animals with an RIFD device and track you and your animals and …what does that mean?

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    The United States Constitution

    Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. greyfields

    greyfields Overrun With Chickens

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    I'm delcaring today a NAIS thread holiday.
     
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