Necropsy results back—no answers...perhaps salt toxicity?

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by missmarans1719, Jun 26, 2019.

  1. missmarans1719

    missmarans1719 In the Brooder

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    https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/could-this-be-mareks.1313121/#post-21408610

    See my last thread for the beginning. Necropsy came back today. What I suspected was Avian Encephalomyelitis or Marek’s is not. It is actually inconclusive as to what caused their symptoms. I culled the chicks so they didn’t die on their own, but I’ve had one die since then from paralysis....and 2 more become paralyzed. They diagnosed it as multiple organ inflammation....but what caused that? They had encephalitis, meningitis, mineralization in kidneys....all kinds of stuff. Nothing definitive. No bacteriological findings.

    So my next question is—would the addition of water softener cause this? That’s the only thing we did different. I housed all sorts of unrelated chicks (some of my own, some purchased from different breeders) from Dec-May in the same conditions. We added a bag of salt (softener) at the end of March, and it seems like we started having random deaths at the end of April. There was no paralysis until mid May. A few chicks died after a week or two with no noticeable symptoms, and then all of a sudden paralysis started.

    It’s either that or something fungal I would think...because it was only ones in a specific brooder. It’s wood, and parts are discolored from use.

    Food has been from different bags, new and not moldy. I’ll call the state vet tomorrow but just wondering if anybody has ever had a salt toxicity?
     
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  2. Wyorp Rock

    Wyorp Rock Enabler

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    Would you mind posting a copy of your report (blank out your personal information)?
     
  3. missmarans1719

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  4. missmarans1719

    missmarans1719 In the Brooder

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    Or Newcastle? The pneumonia raises that theory but I never noticed any respiratory symptoms on any of them so far.
     
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  5. Kathy Golla

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    The way I’m reading this, the pathologist can find no concrete reason for death.
     
  6. Kathy Golla

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    No, Newcastle is very obvious in its symptoms. That has to be a very common poultry test, They must not have tested as the signs didn’t point to it.
     
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  7. missmarans1719

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    That’s my understanding as well. We culled them but they were in their way out. Since then, I’ve had one other show symptoms one night, 24 hours later I must’ve spooked it and gave it a heart attack when I checked on it because it just flopped around and died within minutes.

    Two more are paralyzed in the ICU brooder right now. I’m not seeing signs of improvement so I may have to cull them as well. I gave everybody bottled water tonight incase it happens to be salt. I do notice that signs improve after dosing poly vi sol....but could a vitamin deficiency cause that? They’re given Purina so I wouldn’t expect a deficiency.

    Again, maybe fungal? Seems like it happens to the ones that were all in a particular brooder together.

    I can’t find the common denominator
     
  8. ButtonquailGirl14

    ButtonquailGirl14 Crossing the Road

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    So sorry about your chooms.. how do you send in a bird for texting? I have one on the brink, and she has been sick Soo long:(
     
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  9. dawg53

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    Try switching feed, from Purina to Nutrena.
     
  10. missmarans1719

    missmarans1719 In the Brooder

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    Thank you ☺️
    The way we do it is through our vet’s office. We cull and then take them immediately, or refrigerate if it’s going to be a day or so. They say not to freeze. They do all of the packing to send off to the state. The state vet told me when it’s in question they have to send them off for further testing by a board certified pathologist to look for microscopic lesions, so I’m not sure where they went after that. VA started charging $45 in April but it used to be free. I’m sure some states are still free. I don’t know the exact procedure for packing a deceased bird so I’m sorry I can’t be more helpful. Do you have a livestock vet in your area?
     
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