Need formula advice for heritage chicken feed

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  1. capayvalleychick

    capayvalleychick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I am a breeder of heritage chickens, free ranged on pasture, and have been researching feed.

    I can't find a feed that is exactly what I am looking for, so I decided to try to mix my own feed. I ordered fish meal & Nutri-Balancer from Fertrell.
    http://www.fertrell.com/poultry.htm

    My biggest problem with finding the right feed for my flock is that, according to the American Livestock Breeds Conservancy, heritage chickens need a ration containing 28% protein for the first 16-18 weeks of age , and for adult birds, the feed protein level can be backed off to 18-20%.
    In addition, breeding birds need additional calcium, sufficient vitamins and minerals to ensure high fertility and hatchability of eggs.

    To complicate this even more, many of my egg & meat customers now want corn & soy free fed products.

    I've found it impossible to find a feed that meets all this criteria, that is why I am trying to mix my own feed.

    I can't find all the ingredients for the listed rations on the Fertrell site, so am trying to use this general formula for home mixes and adjust it:
    http://tinyurl.com/3bodvhb

    Can peanuts, sunflower & safflower seeds be substituted for soybean meal?

    How much fish meal should be used to increase the protein to the 18-20% and 28% levels?

    The Nutri-Balancer directions calls for additional Calcium. Can that be offered as free choice oyster shell or should it be mixed into the feed?

    I would appreciate any advice from breeders of heritage chickens or people that understand poultry nutrition better than I do. [​IMG]

    Thanks,
    Kim
     
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  2. WallTenters

    WallTenters Chillin' With My Peeps

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    When figuring on increasing vitamins, protein, anything... here's what you do....
    This is just an example...

    Total pounds of finished feed = 100lbs
    You want say 30% protein (again, example only here)

    30% of 100 = 30lbs of pure protein

    If food X has 50% protein in it, that means that I need to multiply 30lbs x 2 (50% x 2 = 100% of the 30lbs will be protein) = need to add a total of 60lbs of feed to get my 30% protein.

    if X had only 20% protein in it, 20 goes into 100% 5 times, so I'd multiply 30lbs by 5... oops, that won't ever give you 30% in 100 lbs because what you're adding is too low in protein to move any protein beyond the 20% it contains.

    The same goes for vitamins and minerals.
     
  3. drpeeps2014

    drpeeps2014 Out Of The Brooder

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    If they will be used for meat or eggs:

    In my experience I have purchased meat from a farm that was feeding fish meal, and it was the worst meat I have ever tasted. It was VERY fishy tasting. I couldn't eat it.

    I think this only occurs when feeding above a certain percentage of fish meal to other ingredients.

    I don't know much more about it, just wanted to make you aware if you weren't already [​IMG]
     
  4. capayvalleychick

    capayvalleychick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:OMG I am an idiot when it comes to math. I reread that multiple times and still can't figure it out. [​IMG]
    I'm also adding multiple sources of protein- fish meal + possibly peanuts, sunflower seeds & peas. And even the grains have a certain level of protein. So, do I add up all those levels of protein?

    Drpeeps2014 is right about limiting the fish meal to avoid the bad taste. I have to check what the maximum recommended levels are.

    Thank you both,
    Kim
     
  5. KenK

    KenK Chillin' With My Peeps

    Jan 23, 2011
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    I just spent about a minute doing an excel spreadsheet to figure the resulting percentage protein of a feed using three different feed inputs. Not sure how I can explain or to upload it here...

    I can try if anybody wants to know but I'm not sure I can make somebody without a passing knowledge of excel or high school algebra understand.
     
  6. capayvalleychick

    capayvalleychick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Ouch! [​IMG] I guess that I'm out of luck since I'm a Mac person and my HS algebra teacher had me drop the class instead of helping me when I asked, because, according to him, " You'll never need to know this."

    Any chance that you could tell me your results if I give you my list of ingredients and their protein levels?

    Kim
     
  7. Ariel301

    Ariel301 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I mix my own feed, so I can calculate nutrient contents. You can PM me your ingredients and I'll give it a try.
     
  8. KenK

    KenK Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Post your list of ingredients here with the protein content of each. List them in order of most expensive to least expensive per pound. Should be interesting to compare results.
     
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  9. Cindy in PA

    Cindy in PA Overrun With Chickens

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    Search Backyard Poultry magazine for Harvey Ussery's calculators. They are readily available & you can download & use them. You can plug in other values besides what he has on his sheets if you know the protein %. They are for calculating 100 lbs. at a time & work great.
     
  10. capayvalleychick

    capayvalleychick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Here is a rough draft of the ingredients that I am thinking of using in my feed. Protein (CP) levels were difficult to find info on and varied. I'm still researching cost- it seems very expensive!
    I still need to figure out how much of each ingredient to use, the amounts listed are estimates from UC Davis's formula, which doesn't have the amount of protein that I need for the heritage breeds.

    SAMPLE FORMULA for 100 lbs feed

    46-50 lbs grain:
    wheat 12-14% CP
    oat groats 12.3% CP
    flax 23-26% CP
    white millet 11.6% CP

    17 lbs. rice bran 13% CP

    16-30 lbs. protein meal:
    peanuts, 8g protein per 30 g
    Canadian peas, 23-24% CP
    sunflower seed 17-21 % CP (for meal)

    5 lbs. fish meal 60% protein

    4 lbs. alfalfa pellets 15% CP

    3 lbs. Nutri-Balancer
    For info on this and the fish meal: http://www.fertrell.com/poultry.htm

    This
    formula also calls for yeast, mineral salt, bone meal & oyster shell. I offer oyster shell free choice. I think that the yeast, mineral salt & bone meal are not needed, due to the Nutri-Balancer.

    Thanks for all the comments so far!
    Kim
     

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