ChknMama50
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Well, I think I broke poor @azygous - I'm SO sorry to put you thru that on a rough day!!! Hope you're feeling much better- I GET it so that makes it worse knowing I caused any further stress... who knew- was working on this forever...but my timing- as ever- is impeccable!! 
SO here is what I posted (and realize it was in wrong place for the WHOLE story- thus the apology... I can break this up later and deal with each separately with further details and photos if needed but for now, want to focus on WOODSY from this post- she's gotten one dose of "LA-200 or Liquamycin" which is from what I can tell a long acting version of the broad spectrum antibiotic "oxytetracycline" and is meant for cattle and pigs.
if I should reduce the dosage some- for her normal weight (less the fluid retention) which would put it closer to a dose of 1cc or 200mg which I've seen someone suggest on one of these threads- it's a LOT to read....yeah- I see the irony!!
Trust me, I'm trying!!! My brain is no picnic to live with!! 
Have gotten great info on how to treat CRD with this drug specifically- posted in the original thread as an answer (thank you @azygous!!)- if you have been looking it's NICE to know that someone got some good answers on dosing for at least that problem in chickens...as trust me, I have looked and it's hard to get any real answers as it's off label (as most with chickens unless from the vet and even then....) from an Auburn U. "poultry science professor".
Problem is that I'm getting VERY differing info on dosing overall- in trying to treat EYP or reproductive infection, not a respiratory one...well let's just say at about midnight on the night after I gave it I was convinced suddenly that I'd certainly OD'd my little girl...
.... remembered that I'd written down "5mg/kg" and yet I went with other oft seen and above quoted 0.2ml/lb....WAY different...like under 15mg vs. over 200mg kinda different!- yeah.... Calmed down when I reread the response and can only assume that the difference from the info given and the 5mg/kg on "Poultry DVM" is that the "LA-200 Liquamycin" (from TSC) is a long acting version of the drug... only a guess... and therefore the dose is significantly higher?? (and less often) ? Thus the every third day dosing schedule in cows/pigs and in the quote from above professor to treat CRD...but that's a BIG difference! ?
Well she tolerated it and today is even walking around more and even eating.
(watching from a distance-with binoculars! haha) I'm WELL aware we're NOT out of the woods by any means but I'll take ANY advice possible on treatment of EYP or similar reproductive issues I've read about on case studies at Poultry DVM and on here... Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to post info and articles...
Even this nightmare post may help even one person in the future... willing to read as much as I did...
OK- for some more specifics on Woodsy to answer some of the questions from instructions on how to post for help here..... Again, I am sorry for length- I have read some REALLY long posts- but guess I 'win'!! oh well- will embarrass myself a bit more for "Woods":
*She's a "Starlight Egger" I think they called it from TSC that we got at "one" day old (?) in June of 2020... So she'll be 3 this June.
*Kept in a coop/covered run combo & let out as often as we can in afternoons to "forage" and dirt/sun bathe in the barn when we're around to discourage the hawks...
*Eats 'layer' mini-pellets (Purina-16% protein) and get 'treats' of "Grubblies" (BSFL) to supplement her protein almost daily- in quantity they suggest- as well as a mix of Sunflower hearts ,millet, & milo thrown into run several days a week to keep them 'busy' pecking for them... cut out then restarted with less recently due to one having sour crop.... also started to ferment food for them to eat again when same with sour crop had to rejoin the flock before all better- to have softened food and now for health-as I used to feed this like 4-5X/wk for almost a year!! when they were doing great. Use a mix of their pellets and Grubblies layer feed which includes whole grains/seeds) to ferment then drain and dry as much as I can- adding in some crushed daily pellets so it's not a sticky mess!!
* Is normally a very good layer- get an olive colored egg from her at least 5 days a week or more until she was at least halfway thru her first (hard) molt- Not sure but may not have laid SINCE.... see below as how I missed this ;-(
*Had her first full molt this past Nov that made her so weak that she was walking like a drunk monkey (can joke now but...scary!!) and staggering way off to one side then ending up laying down breast down first (didn't fall over)... was given support online via a Facebook chicken member group that decided it was from the sheer stress it takes to molt... and was still laying at the time!! She got lots of extra sources of protein and loving and got all better! BUT...
*She was then involved in the diarrhea that all 6 girls seemed to have (and one or more were shedding a lot of intestinal lining) plus lots of head twitching/shaking and from what I could tell they may have needed to be wormed- had only done once prior and our run was looking a bit ragged as we worked on finishing a 6 mo build of a new shed/coop/run they've since moved into- more stress unfortunately. Old run had middle section open to rain and constant fight to keep mud from being issue towards end...wasn't being quite as neurotic about it as we worked on new one I guess...;-)
*So she got Fenbendazole in ~mid Dec. (think it was) via a horse wormer apple flavored paste for three days (small pea sized bit for her size) and some CORID (just to be safe in case I was wrong about it being intestinal shedding) but I cannot attest to how great that worked as it was from over year prior- powedered.
*After the move in early Feb. they got Valbazen that we'd never used before and was dosed orally at just over 1/4ml (was told 1/4 for smaller chickens like bantams and 1/2 for 'regular' sized chickens) Think that was Valentine's... She was the bigger of my 3 EE's so she got in between the two... Tolerated fine it seemed and was repeated on Day 10.
*Also was given CORID again from a new bottle of the 9.6% liquid (5 day treatment) started same day- Valentine's as Puffy died on the 10th...
This was done out of an abundance of caution as we were dealing with some weird symptoms that went thru the whole flock one by one it seemed until we lost our beloved "Puffy" who was the last to show symptoms... (standing off alone- puffed up and hunkered down- eyes closed- and not interested in food or water- with pretty runny diarrhea- some more watery...and yes some leaving an orangish hue in the new hemp...wasn't sure if it had to do with new brand? but doubtful and not right so after she died, we really got serious!! (btw- NO respiratory symptoms other than a couple who open beak-breathed on roost when it wasn't hot... but nothing else!)
**OK- now it's almost March and I FINALLY realize that Woodsy has not been laying at all since she finally stopped midway thru her late fall molt... She's looked healthy and is always head down/tail up eating as much as they'll let her and not having any obvious issues- easily overlooked considering the two having pretty big ones...
We have 3 EE's and assume one was incorrectly 'lableled' and was a blue egg layer instead- she has darker markings and has always laid bluish eggs... knew everyone's except Woodsy and her little twin, PeeWee who laid very similar olive shade eggs- one larger than the other and never did know for sure who's was whose with them. When we were getting an olive egg almost daily, we assumed one or both of them were laying again... guess I didn't worry about not getting one from Dandy- the blue one- as she was the healthiest after her own day or two of the weird illness... BUT.... alas I finally saw her get up from the nest box as I was cleaning and sure enough she had laid a green egg- same as the others we'd been getting....
Finally started to realize that I needed to pay better attention (I was grieving Puffy's loss, and frankly exhausted from all of it- and my own health issues- and had been taking care of PeeWee with her resistant sour crop issue)... didn't think she was gonna make it more than once- so yes, I was a little late on picking up on Woodsy's decline...
*Noticed then that she started to have trouble running to greet me as she used to do enthusiastically- no matter what- if she was outside (my husband will let them out in afternoons as much as possible if he's out there working on something...or if I'm out) She seemed to want to but would start and stop like she was having trouble... so assessed her (not easy as she hates to be picked up) and realized that not only did she have a very big belly that initially felt more 'boggy' like "water belly" or ascites- but she was open beak breathing and I could feel her heart racing after I did catch her- had to sit down to take her weight off by my lap and give her time to calm down... and after reading up on ascites when Puffy showed those symptoms, I guess I had tunnel vision and didn't put together the important symptom of her not laying and esp of having yellow colored poop that had crusted to her butt after their whole 'diarrhea forever' period. I had washed the two remaining 'bigger' girls but had skipped Woodsy as I didn't want to make things worse for her just to clean her up- esp if I was gonna lose her as there's no treatment for ascites. (only draining for comfort)
**DUH... FINALLY started to wonder if my poor girl had Egg Yolk Peritonitis (EYP) that would be explained by all of the above- esp the yellow poop/discharge... SO I decided to treat it as if it was- it would not hurt her if I was wrong- she had a major problem and was slowly starting to have difficulty hiding it. She's "lowest" in our flock's "order" and gets picked on terribly at times- WORST during her molt. So she was working at hiding her issues... doesn't make me feel better about missing weeks of this, but...
I weighed her and was not completely shocked by her 6.3lb weight! Her only healthy sister was 4.8.lbs and the little one with sour crop had declined to 2.8 (now up to 3.1 so ?! prayerfully on the mend)
Gave her one dose of Meloxicam at 0.5mg/kg as I had it on hand and read repeatedly that vets had prescribed this for the pain of the swelling- will help by reducing the swelling as it's an NSAID commonly (apparently by research at least) used by vets in chickens- 'off label' as most drugs are for them...and started to try to figure out WHAT antibiotic to treat her with and how!
She was obviously not feeling good and it could help a bit with the swelling thus reducing the pain... got her to eat that one hidden in a piece of scrambled egg but my attempt at a second dose was not as successful as she wasn't eating and I tried dissolving it in warm water but doesn't stay in suspension long and is bitter I discovered. (we take it but don't taste it!) Third attempt she was still not eating much at all so I mixed a dry piece crumbled into a little yogurt/kefir mix and syringed it followed by water she would swallow by drops... Seemed to at least fall asleep faster at night- got doses in late afternoon- despite some antics lately by Dandy that usually keep her up and moving around...
*Btw-had agreed to no vets when we got them... despite admitting afterwards they're pets! trying to stick by that agreement for anyone wondering why I haven't taken her to a vet! I think if you are gonna do that you should start when well and not for the first time when already sick and stressed- to get into a carrier/car for first time ever and take an hour+ car ride one way!!
Got her first (and only so far) dose of the LA-200 Liquamycin that I gave SQ (in tented skin at base of the back of her neck) that was tolerated well. Rubbed her neck and massaged area a bit for a little while to help it absorb. Need to decide if I'm repeating in 2 or 3 days....
Gave her a warmish epsom salt bath yesterday when I found her hunkered down off to herself thus able to handle her without nearly the visible stress- and went for it as it might help her belly feel better- and at the very least would help cool her off as the water cooled and afterwards... (hot day) but also get that crusted up old stuff off her butt so I could better see what's happening... she also had seemed to be almost having spasms when she'd drop her butt down to' poop' small bits often. Posted one pic that was not so great- but got a pic of next one on floor and after being wiped up- attached.
Photo notes: As you MAY be able to see in the photos she started to at this point lose some big feathers just above her legs (hock area?) and from her tail which looks much smaller now-pretty sure not picked by others... The photos don't really show how bad her butt got but included anyway... The poop pics were all from yesterday- including one with her still standing there right after going for size comparison...can see how she now has more green solids included- seemed for awhile there- even when eating good- that it was just yellow/white thick liquid...now appears more watery with solids but when wiped up off a solid floor you really can see how much yellow there still is... Final pic note- in one of all of them, she is walking towards the left- In the pic is Lily, Lady, Woodsy, PeeWee, and Dandy on the end... Getting there but it's been overwhelming to say the least....
SO here is what I posted (and realize it was in wrong place for the WHOLE story- thus the apology... I can break this up later and deal with each separately with further details and photos if needed but for now, want to focus on WOODSY from this post- she's gotten one dose of "LA-200 or Liquamycin" which is from what I can tell a long acting version of the broad spectrum antibiotic "oxytetracycline" and is meant for cattle and pigs.
if I should reduce the dosage some- for her normal weight (less the fluid retention) which would put it closer to a dose of 1cc or 200mg which I've seen someone suggest on one of these threads- it's a LOT to read....yeah- I see the irony!!
Trust me, I'm trying!!! My brain is no picnic to live with!! Have gotten great info on how to treat CRD with this drug specifically- posted in the original thread as an answer (thank you @azygous!!)- if you have been looking it's NICE to know that someone got some good answers on dosing for at least that problem in chickens...as trust me, I have looked and it's hard to get any real answers as it's off label (as most with chickens unless from the vet and even then....) from an Auburn U. "poultry science professor".
Problem is that I'm getting VERY differing info on dosing overall- in trying to treat EYP or reproductive infection, not a respiratory one...well let's just say at about midnight on the night after I gave it I was convinced suddenly that I'd certainly OD'd my little girl...
.... remembered that I'd written down "5mg/kg" and yet I went with other oft seen and above quoted 0.2ml/lb....WAY different...like under 15mg vs. over 200mg kinda different!- yeah.... Calmed down when I reread the response and can only assume that the difference from the info given and the 5mg/kg on "Poultry DVM" is that the "LA-200 Liquamycin" (from TSC) is a long acting version of the drug... only a guess... and therefore the dose is significantly higher?? (and less often) ? Thus the every third day dosing schedule in cows/pigs and in the quote from above professor to treat CRD...but that's a BIG difference! ?Well she tolerated it and today is even walking around more and even eating.
(watching from a distance-with binoculars! haha) I'm WELL aware we're NOT out of the woods by any means but I'll take ANY advice possible on treatment of EYP or similar reproductive issues I've read about on case studies at Poultry DVM and on here... Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to post info and articles...Even this nightmare post may help even one person in the future... willing to read as much as I did...
OK- for some more specifics on Woodsy to answer some of the questions from instructions on how to post for help here..... Again, I am sorry for length- I have read some REALLY long posts- but guess I 'win'!!
oh well- will embarrass myself a bit more for "Woods":*She's a "Starlight Egger" I think they called it from TSC that we got at "one" day old (?) in June of 2020... So she'll be 3 this June.
*Kept in a coop/covered run combo & let out as often as we can in afternoons to "forage" and dirt/sun bathe in the barn when we're around to discourage the hawks...
*Eats 'layer' mini-pellets (Purina-16% protein) and get 'treats' of "Grubblies" (BSFL) to supplement her protein almost daily- in quantity they suggest- as well as a mix of Sunflower hearts ,millet, & milo thrown into run several days a week to keep them 'busy' pecking for them... cut out then restarted with less recently due to one having sour crop.... also started to ferment food for them to eat again when same with sour crop had to rejoin the flock before all better- to have softened food and now for health-as I used to feed this like 4-5X/wk for almost a year!! when they were doing great. Use a mix of their pellets and Grubblies layer feed which includes whole grains/seeds) to ferment then drain and dry as much as I can- adding in some crushed daily pellets so it's not a sticky mess!!
* Is normally a very good layer- get an olive colored egg from her at least 5 days a week or more until she was at least halfway thru her first (hard) molt- Not sure but may not have laid SINCE.... see below as how I missed this ;-(
*Had her first full molt this past Nov that made her so weak that she was walking like a drunk monkey (can joke now but...scary!!) and staggering way off to one side then ending up laying down breast down first (didn't fall over)... was given support online via a Facebook chicken member group that decided it was from the sheer stress it takes to molt... and was still laying at the time!! She got lots of extra sources of protein and loving and got all better! BUT...
*She was then involved in the diarrhea that all 6 girls seemed to have (and one or more were shedding a lot of intestinal lining) plus lots of head twitching/shaking and from what I could tell they may have needed to be wormed- had only done once prior and our run was looking a bit ragged as we worked on finishing a 6 mo build of a new shed/coop/run they've since moved into- more stress unfortunately. Old run had middle section open to rain and constant fight to keep mud from being issue towards end...wasn't being quite as neurotic about it as we worked on new one I guess...;-)
*So she got Fenbendazole in ~mid Dec. (think it was) via a horse wormer apple flavored paste for three days (small pea sized bit for her size) and some CORID (just to be safe in case I was wrong about it being intestinal shedding) but I cannot attest to how great that worked as it was from over year prior- powedered.
*After the move in early Feb. they got Valbazen that we'd never used before and was dosed orally at just over 1/4ml (was told 1/4 for smaller chickens like bantams and 1/2 for 'regular' sized chickens) Think that was Valentine's... She was the bigger of my 3 EE's so she got in between the two... Tolerated fine it seemed and was repeated on Day 10.
*Also was given CORID again from a new bottle of the 9.6% liquid (5 day treatment) started same day- Valentine's as Puffy died on the 10th...
This was done out of an abundance of caution as we were dealing with some weird symptoms that went thru the whole flock one by one it seemed until we lost our beloved "Puffy" who was the last to show symptoms... (standing off alone- puffed up and hunkered down- eyes closed- and not interested in food or water- with pretty runny diarrhea- some more watery...and yes some leaving an orangish hue in the new hemp...wasn't sure if it had to do with new brand? but doubtful and not right so after she died, we really got serious!! (btw- NO respiratory symptoms other than a couple who open beak-breathed on roost when it wasn't hot... but nothing else!)
**OK- now it's almost March and I FINALLY realize that Woodsy has not been laying at all since she finally stopped midway thru her late fall molt... She's looked healthy and is always head down/tail up eating as much as they'll let her and not having any obvious issues- easily overlooked considering the two having pretty big ones...
We have 3 EE's and assume one was incorrectly 'lableled' and was a blue egg layer instead- she has darker markings and has always laid bluish eggs... knew everyone's except Woodsy and her little twin, PeeWee who laid very similar olive shade eggs- one larger than the other and never did know for sure who's was whose with them. When we were getting an olive egg almost daily, we assumed one or both of them were laying again... guess I didn't worry about not getting one from Dandy- the blue one- as she was the healthiest after her own day or two of the weird illness... BUT.... alas I finally saw her get up from the nest box as I was cleaning and sure enough she had laid a green egg- same as the others we'd been getting....
Finally started to realize that I needed to pay better attention (I was grieving Puffy's loss, and frankly exhausted from all of it- and my own health issues- and had been taking care of PeeWee with her resistant sour crop issue)... didn't think she was gonna make it more than once- so yes, I was a little late on picking up on Woodsy's decline...
*Noticed then that she started to have trouble running to greet me as she used to do enthusiastically- no matter what- if she was outside (my husband will let them out in afternoons as much as possible if he's out there working on something...or if I'm out) She seemed to want to but would start and stop like she was having trouble... so assessed her (not easy as she hates to be picked up) and realized that not only did she have a very big belly that initially felt more 'boggy' like "water belly" or ascites- but she was open beak breathing and I could feel her heart racing after I did catch her- had to sit down to take her weight off by my lap and give her time to calm down... and after reading up on ascites when Puffy showed those symptoms, I guess I had tunnel vision and didn't put together the important symptom of her not laying and esp of having yellow colored poop that had crusted to her butt after their whole 'diarrhea forever' period. I had washed the two remaining 'bigger' girls but had skipped Woodsy as I didn't want to make things worse for her just to clean her up- esp if I was gonna lose her as there's no treatment for ascites. (only draining for comfort)
**DUH... FINALLY started to wonder if my poor girl had Egg Yolk Peritonitis (EYP) that would be explained by all of the above- esp the yellow poop/discharge... SO I decided to treat it as if it was- it would not hurt her if I was wrong- she had a major problem and was slowly starting to have difficulty hiding it. She's "lowest" in our flock's "order" and gets picked on terribly at times- WORST during her molt. So she was working at hiding her issues... doesn't make me feel better about missing weeks of this, but...
I weighed her and was not completely shocked by her 6.3lb weight! Her only healthy sister was 4.8.lbs and the little one with sour crop had declined to 2.8 (now up to 3.1 so ?! prayerfully on the mend)
Gave her one dose of Meloxicam at 0.5mg/kg as I had it on hand and read repeatedly that vets had prescribed this for the pain of the swelling- will help by reducing the swelling as it's an NSAID commonly (apparently by research at least) used by vets in chickens- 'off label' as most drugs are for them...and started to try to figure out WHAT antibiotic to treat her with and how!
She was obviously not feeling good and it could help a bit with the swelling thus reducing the pain... got her to eat that one hidden in a piece of scrambled egg but my attempt at a second dose was not as successful as she wasn't eating and I tried dissolving it in warm water but doesn't stay in suspension long and is bitter I discovered. (we take it but don't taste it!) Third attempt she was still not eating much at all so I mixed a dry piece crumbled into a little yogurt/kefir mix and syringed it followed by water she would swallow by drops... Seemed to at least fall asleep faster at night- got doses in late afternoon- despite some antics lately by Dandy that usually keep her up and moving around...
*Btw-had agreed to no vets when we got them... despite admitting afterwards they're pets! trying to stick by that agreement for anyone wondering why I haven't taken her to a vet! I think if you are gonna do that you should start when well and not for the first time when already sick and stressed- to get into a carrier/car for first time ever and take an hour+ car ride one way!!
Got her first (and only so far) dose of the LA-200 Liquamycin that I gave SQ (in tented skin at base of the back of her neck) that was tolerated well. Rubbed her neck and massaged area a bit for a little while to help it absorb. Need to decide if I'm repeating in 2 or 3 days....
Gave her a warmish epsom salt bath yesterday when I found her hunkered down off to herself
thus able to handle her without nearly the visible stress- and went for it as it might help her belly feel better- and at the very least would help cool her off as the water cooled and afterwards... (hot day) but also get that crusted up old stuff off her butt so I could better see what's happening... she also had seemed to be almost having spasms when she'd drop her butt down to' poop' small bits often. Posted one pic that was not so great- but got a pic of next one on floor and after being wiped up- attached.Photo notes: As you MAY be able to see in the photos she started to at this point lose some big feathers just above her legs (hock area?) and from her tail which looks much smaller now-pretty sure not picked by others... The photos don't really show how bad her butt got but included anyway... The poop pics were all from yesterday- including one with her still standing there right after going for size comparison...can see how she now has more green solids included- seemed for awhile there- even when eating good- that it was just yellow/white thick liquid...now appears more watery with solids but when wiped up off a solid floor you really can see how much yellow there still is... Final pic note- in one of all of them, she is walking towards the left- In the pic is Lily, Lady, Woodsy, PeeWee, and Dandy on the end... Getting there but it's been overwhelming to say the least....
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