Well, got 25 assorted rare breed females in the mail today, FINALLY... 5 DOA, 5 more dead since then, at least 5 additional look to be on their way out. Now I see what everyone gets so sad about. It's terrible. Good heat, elecrolytes, vitamins, and thinking about a little mashed starter... hoping to save some of the rest. They are pretty dehydrated. Sigh.