New name needed for a duck color...

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  1. Duck Hill

    Duck Hill Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I need help finding the name for a duck color, if it exists. Otherwise, I need help creating one.

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    I am starting a breeding program to create more of my duck (see picture below). But I am told she is a "faulted" trout. I cannot use the name "Faulted Trout." How could I get people to buy a "faulted" duck? And, more important, her color is beautiful! It is true, though, that it does not fit the standard for Trout ducks. So a new name is needed.

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    As I breed more of my duck, I will select for even more white on the bottom part. I understand that a very similar type of breeding has been done in call ducks. In that case, Saxony color (Trout with double Blue genes) has been bred to have more white. The Saxony-with-more-white is called Butterscotch.

    I have also seen a similar breeding of call ducks with a single blue gene (The "Blue-Trout-with-more-white are sometimes called "Blue Butterscotch."

    However, this does not help me find a name, because Butterscotch Trout, to me, sounds just like the Saxony-with-more-white, since the name "Butterscotch" is associated with two Blue genes.

    So, I need a name for "Trout-with-more-white", for my duck and for future ducks of that color. I may also breed a Brown Trout-with-more-white, too.

    So I really need a name for that color...

    I have thought of "Dark Butterscotch" to parallel the Dark Campbell. I don't really like "Brown Butterscotch" as the option for the brown version. Or would that be "Golden Butterscotch in the brown color? Or does "Golden" imply Blue genes as well as brown? I guess Dark Butterscotch and Golden Butterscotch are options? [​IMG]
     
  2. buff goose guy

    buff goose guy Chillin' With My Peeps

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    its looks like sloppy snowy or nice appleyard coloring.
     
  3. learycow

    learycow Chillin' With My Peeps

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    What about "harlequin"?
     
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  4. learycow

    learycow Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Or you could use the term "chestnut" as the coloring is VERY similar to a chestnut call duck
     
  5. Duck Hill

    Duck Hill Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I love the name Appleyard. Unfortunately, and although she looks a lot like an Appleyard, this name creates issues since the ducklings aren't born with the Appleyard duckling colors. In other words, she probably doesn't have the restricted gene - no matter how much she looks like an Appleyard as an adult. Maybe I could call her an Applehill duck?

    Harlequin is a great name, and I wish I could get a hold of a duck with Harlequin genes. Unfortunately, I don't believe she carries those genes. For example, Welsh Harlequins have them, and Abacott Rangers, and Snowy. Unless I get a surprise when I start line-breeding? That will be interesting to discover, and if so I can change the name.

    I think Chestnut might work very well for the "Brown Butterscotch." I think Chestnut Butterscotch sounds much better than Brown Butterscotch!

    Thank you for the suggestions!
     
  6. AimToMisbehave

    AimToMisbehave Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I would buy "faulted trouts" if they looked like her! [​IMG]
     
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  7. apricotvalleywf

    apricotvalleywf Chillin' With My Peeps

    Hi Duck Hill, as mentioned before.. your duck does not have Harlequin or Appleyard genes. There is a 0% chance. No matter how many generations you breed for, you will not find those genetics lying within her.

    Duck names are based of nomenclature. If you wish to choose a name, it would be at your own doing and not following the US nomenclature. Your duck is a faulted trout which is correct. If you read the APA standards you will see that she 100% matches a trout, but with faults.

    David Holderread used to sell these as Appleyard runners, even though he admits they DO NOT carry the Appleyard restricted gene.
     
  8. Duck Hill

    Duck Hill Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Apricotvalleywf, I do understand what you say, about my duck having neither harlequin nor Appleyard genes. I am perfectly happy with the light genes she has. I particularly like her face, and if she had harlequin genes she would not have such nice head stripes!

    What I am planning on doing is to try to increase the amount of white generated by the light genes (li li) she does have. It is my understanding that the amount of white shown by light genes is variable, and that this is how Butterscotch call ducks were created. So if I breed to increase the white, I should be able to create a "dark butterscotch" kind of color - a faulted Trout color, with the most "fault" possible (i.e. extra white on the front).

    I appreciate your input. [​IMG]
     
  9. apricotvalleywf

    apricotvalleywf Chillin' With My Peeps

    Duck Hill, please keep in mind that Trouts can be variable, same as mallards.. but the phenotype you are trying to modify doesn't necessarily lie within the lightphase gene. It has actually been proven to not be on the lightphase gene, but to exist in close relation. This would explain why this feature can be seen on Appleyards and Trouts.

    It will be nice to see some studies by yourself over the next few years. We are doing the same currently.
     
  10. Duck Hill

    Duck Hill Chillin' With My Peeps

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    apricotvalleywf, thank you for all your comments. I was particularly interested when on the thread -Trout Indian Runners- you commented:

    "I speak with the Ashtons quite a bit and also the Holderreads. Here is some information from the Ashtons' in regards to your question:

    Appleyard face markings are independent of other genes
    such as mallard restricted and mallard. The face markings came from German Apricot Trouts
    (blaugelb) which carried the fault. (Apricot trouts are saxony in US nomenclature)"

    I wonder if those face markings can be combined with other colors... such as pied, for example. I will be doing various crosses (even if only on a small scale) and will post what I find.

    At this moment I have in the brooder:

    1 egg of this duck with a blue trout. (I put ten eggs of this pairing in there, but only one was fertile.) If the face markings are dominant, the baby should have it. Otherwise it will probably not have it.

    4 eggs of this duck with a penciled runner. All are fertile. The babies will be mixed M+Md and Rr, so may have a little bit of white on them. M+ is dominant so the babies should have head stripes. Again, it will be interesting to see if the face markings show up on the babies or whether they only have regular mallard head stripes.

    I will have these preliminary results (ducklings!!!) in about two weeks!

     
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