new to chickens

Discussion in 'Coop & Run - Design, Construction, & Maintenance' started by duckhunter1983, May 8, 2011.

  1. duckhunter1983

    duckhunter1983 New Egg

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    i just finished clearing land and my new home to start building a coop and run for some chickens. i found a design that i realy like and want to use. but how big should i build? i am planning on starting out with 4-6 chickens, but want to have enough room for up 12 if i want more. ( which i am sure will happen!) i have read to use 4 sq' per bird and then 2 sq' per bird. which is better? i live in ashby mass and it gets pretty cold in newengland during the winters.

    i am new to this and need some guidance, thanks ahead of time. BOB
     
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  2. Ridgerunner

    Ridgerunner True BYC Addict

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    [​IMG] Welcome to the forum! [​IMG] Glad you joined us! [​IMG]

    First, for anyone planning a coop and run, I suggest you read these articles. Pat knows what she is talking about.

    Pat’s Big Ol' Ventilation Page
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/web/viewblog.php?id=1642-VENTILATION

    Pat’s
    Cold Coop (winter design) page:
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/web/viewblog.php?id=1642-winter-coop-temperatures

    Pat’s
    Big Ol' Mud Page (fixing muddy runs):
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/web/viewblog.php?id=1642-fix-a-muddy-run

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    will find a standard minimum space allocation of 4 square feet per chicken in the coop along with a miinimum of 10 square feet in the run often mentioned on this forum. Please note these are minimums. The commercial operations can and do house chickens in less space, but they require a lot more intensive handling to make that work. And, under certain conditions, some of us get by with less space very well, but under what are considered "normal" conditions, these are recommended as bare minimums.

    I find the more space you provide them, the happier they are, the less likely you are to have behavioral problems (such as cannibalism), and the easier they are for you to maintain. I'll especially emphasize that last one. Chickens poop a lot. The more space they have, the less you have to actively manage the poop. In my opinion, that by itself is a huge reason to not crowd them.

    Also consider the future. You say you may want 12. Do you plan to hatch chicks? That number can go up really quickly. The larger you make the coop and run,. the more flexibility you have in the future to manage them. We all have different goals. Mine include eggs but also meat. I also hatch my replacement layers. My basic laying/breeding flock is 6 or 7 hens and 1 rooster. Late last summer at one time I had 34 chickens, many of them young. I currently have 6 hens and 1 rooster. You may have a base number but the maximum number can really fluctuate.

    I'll include a write-up I did a while back on space for chickens. It might help you. Good luck and again, [​IMG]


    As long as you have enough height for the roosts to be noticeably higher than the nest boxes, height does not matter to chickens. They are basically ground dwelling birds, so the ground area is all that really matters space wise. I said it does not matter to the chickens. It does matter to me if I have to work in there. It matters quite a bit.

    If the nest boxes are high enough off the ground that the chickens can easily get under them, then nest boxes do not take away from the space available. The tops of the nesting boxes does not add to the living space either although they may occasionally be up there. Ground level is what counts.

    Some of the things that make up the space requirement are, in my opinion:

    1. Personal space for the birds. They have different personalities and different individual requirements. Some are very possessive of personal space and some can share.

    2. Access to feeder and waterer. The general recommendation is that they all be able to eat at one time, but access to the waterer is also important. Part of this is that they seem to like to all eat at once but not necessarily drink at the same time. Part of it is that a dominant bird may keep others from eating or drinking, especially with limited access.

    3. Being able to put the feeder and waterer where they will not poop in it when they roost.

    4. Roost space. They not only need to have enough room to roost, they need to have enough room for them to sort out who gets to sleep next to whom and who gets the prime spots. They also need enough room to get on the roosts and get off them. When they get on, they may jump from some midway support or fly directly to the roost, but either way, they like to spread their wings. And some chickens seem to enjoy blocking the entry points if there are limits. And when they get off, mine tend to want to fly down, not jump to a halfway point. They need room to fly down without bumping into feeders, waterers, nesting boxes, or a wall.

    5. Poop load. The larger area they have the less often you have to actively manage the poop. They poop a lot while on the roost so you may have to give that area special consideration, but mucking out the entire coop can be backbreaking work plus you have to have some place to put all that bedding and poop. In my opinion, totally cleaning out the coop is something that needs to happen as seldom as possible.

    6. How often are they able to get out of the coop. The more they are confined to the coop, the larger the personal space needs to be. The normal recommendation on this forum is 4 square feet per full sized chicken with a minimum of 10 square feet of run per bird. This additional requirement outside is sometimes not mentioned. How often they are allowed out of the coop may depend on a lot more than just weather. Your work schedule, when you are able to turn them loose, what time of day you open the pop door to let them out or lock them up at night, all this and more enters into the equation. The 4 square feet recommendation assumes they will spend extended time in the coop and not be able to get in the run. What that extended time can safely be depends on a lot of different factor so there is no one correct length of time for everyone.

    7. Do you feed and water in the coop or outside. The more they are outside, the less pressure on the size of the coop.

    8. The size of the chicken. Bantams require less room than full sized chickens. This has to be tempered by breed and the individual personalities. Some bantams can be more protective of personal space than others, but this is also true of full sized breeds.

    9. The breed of the chicken. Some handle confinement better than others.

    10. The number of chickens. The greater the number of chickens, the more personal space they can have if the square foot per chicken stays constant. Let me explain. Assume each chicken occupies 1 square foot of space. If you have two chickens and 4 square feet per chicken, the two chickens occupy 2 square feet, which leaves 6 square feet for them to explore. If you have ten chickens with 4 square feet per chicken, each chicken has 30 unoccupied square feet to explore. A greater number also can give more space to position the feeders and waterers properly in relation to the roosts and provide access. I’m not encouraging you to crowd your birds if you have a large number of them. I’m trying to say you are more likely to get in trouble with 4 square feet per chicken if you have very few chickens.

    11. What is your flock make-up. A flock with more than one rooster may be more peaceful if it has more space. I don't want to start the argument about number or roosters here as I know more than one rooster can often peacefully coexist with a flock, but I firmly believe more space helps.

    12. What is the maximum number of chickens you will have. Consider hatching chicks or bringing in replacements. Look down the road a bit.

    13. Do you want a broody to raise chicks with the flock? A broody needs sufficient room to work with or you risk problems from other chickens.

    I'm sure I am missing several components, but the point I'm trying to make is that we all have different conditions. There is no magic number that suits us all. The 4 square feet in a coop with 10 square feet in the run is a good rule of thumb for a minimum that most of the time will keep us out of trouble, but not always. I do believe that more is better both in the coop and in the run.
     
  3. duckhunter1983

    duckhunter1983 New Egg

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    very informative post! thankyou very much.
     
  4. patandchickens

    patandchickens Flock Mistress

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    My best suggestion is to simply build the biggest structure you can possibly stand to build (get a book on "how to build a shed", many have VERY step-by-step instructions), and you will be as best off as possible no matter where you decide to go with the chicken thing in future [​IMG]

    Good luck, have fun,

    Pat
     

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