new update..........losing them all

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by roll8221, May 11, 2009.

  1. roll8221

    roll8221 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I have some week old poish chicks that i purchased from welp and they are drooping thier wings,chirping alot,no blood in stool, eyes are half closed,stop eating and drinking as much and just kind of lay down and die.some it takes awhile, some not so long. i lost ten just this morning alone. no other symptoms that i can see. what could it be and how can i treat it? ive been told everything from cocci to pollorum, and been told to treat with a brew of feed and bcomplex and vitamin e and water to sulmet to teramycin from welp themselves. the teramycin actually seemed to cause alot of them to worsen. the hatchery has said that they may be able to compensate me which was very nice of them but i want my polish. me and the mrs have wanted them for some time now. i figure at least half of them are gone. really sad. they were all the colors we wanted and bearded too. exactly what we wanted. there is only one left of two of the colors so even if some do survive we will be short a few colors. sorry to ramble on but it kinda sucks........ anyway....thanks for any help given or thoughts on the subject.
     
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  2. Becky_H

    Becky_H Chillin' With My Peeps

    When I hear convulsions, I think two things: Poison and injury. In this situation, I lean poison. You should probably check out your bedding, your brooder, adn everything else they can get their mouths on. What kind of bedding are you using? Is your brooder painted? Is there metal? Is there medicine in their feed or vitamins in the water? Things like that.
     
  3. roll8221

    roll8221 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    they are in pine shavings (the large flakes) in a plastic rubbermaid bin. and they are eating medicated chick feed and tap water. they may have gotten ahold of a scrap corn on the cob.
     
  4. roll8221

    roll8221 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    they now have another symptom. brownish orange snot-like poo. does that help?? ive lost about six more and two more on thier way. i am isolating them as i catch them and changing the bedding just dont know how to treat or what it could be.
     
  5. Glenda L Heywood

    Glenda L Heywood Chillin' With My Peeps

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    you have gotten chicks that have E.coli infection
    you must give them strong Vit E and B complex

    do this for the whole group of chicks don't mix the sick onee with not sick ones but feed both groups this
    wet mash (for each chick)
    2 tsp of dry crumbles for amt of chicks to feed
    4 tsp of water for each chick feed
    multiply by number of chicks to be fed
    Add dry vits before water amt

    now crumble in a tbsp 3 of the Vit B complex pills and add to the amt for 9-10 chicks

    also take 1 Vit E 1000mg per chick fed each time and cut the end off the pill and add to the wet mash
    add the liquid Vit E to wet mash after water is mixed in

    stir good so both vitamins are mixed good for all the chicks

    email me for more infor matrion to help you out PM me
     
  6. NotTheMomma

    NotTheMomma Chillin' With My Peeps

    Treat for coccidiosis and see if that helps. At this point, what do you have to lose, ya know?

    Best of luck hun!
     
  7. roll8221

    roll8221 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    e. coli??? are you serious? where do i get the vitamins?!?! walmart should have hem right? r do i need to get t from a feed store special for critters?
     
  8. NotTheMomma

    NotTheMomma Chillin' With My Peeps

    All animals, including you and I, have e-coli in the pooh [​IMG]

    Like I said, try treating coccidiosis.
     
  9. Glenda L Heywood

    Glenda L Heywood Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I doubt that they have coccidiosis and only be that young
    have they been on soil at all?
    Did the manure have blood in it?

    and the coccidiosis meds is very strong

    yes just get the vit's at walmart as they are for humans and really clean up this manure issue
    Vit E is very important in this treatment

    This is from my friend Nathalie Ross about the issues you can have

    Nathalie Ross
    (1) I think it might be helpful for you to know that coccidia are very VERY hard to trace in a fecal. When I worked as a vet tech, it
    was common procedure to go ahead and treat with a combination antibiotic/antiprotazoan medication like Sulfa products (Sulmet being the most common) based on symptom diagnosis rather than physical evidence of the
    oocysts. ( sulmet is too harsh on chicksGLH)

    (2) This is less true of other parasites like roundworms and such, but still true. Often vets recommend a routine worming program to kill worms not found. Worms aren't always shed into the fecal matter, nor are their eggs, but that doesn't mean they aren't up there chowing down on your birds' food in the gut and leaving scars which make it harder
    for the birds to digest feed in the future.

    (3) So, think about a twice a year worming program. My personal program is
    to worm in the fall with Ivermectin, in the spring with either Ivermectin or another BROAD spectrum medication like tramisol or worm-ex.
    (4) Note: I didn't mention piperazine. Piperazine is a one-worm wormer - rounds only. You'll want to use it for your very first worming to decrease the parasite loads (which are undetectable unless they're really very
    heavy) to prevent the possibility of the bird going into anaphylactic shock or being blocked. These two last dreadful things can happen if there are parasites up there you don't know about, and you use a
    super-wormer (like the 2 mentioned above) which kill everything all at once. So
    do piperazine the first time, or with new birds with unknown histories,
    then use the super-wormers from then on.

    (5) Anyway, back to your problem. At 2-7 weeks, the babies are still in the
    process of getting their gut bacteria in order. See, they're born without any bacteria at all in their gut. So they eat at day 2, and put
    food in there as a food source for themselves but also for bacteria.
    Basically, it's first-come-first-serve for bacteria. If the bad ones get there first, they take over and your birds get ill. IF there are some
    good but mostly bad, the same thing happens.
    (6) If you give your birds probiotics (substances containing live beneficial bacteria) your GOOD

    bacteria will have the advantage. Those good bacteria crowd out the bad,
    make it impossible for the bad bacteria to live in anything but minimal numbers, and thus help your birds to stay healthy. So I always
    recommend giving probiotics weekly from week 2 til point of lay. Then I move to once a month or as needed.

    (A) You can use live-culture yogurt (1 tsp per 8 newly hatched, moving up to 1 teaspoon per point of lay bantam,
    (B) 1 tablespoon per point of lay large fowl - no more please). You can
    also use powdered livestock probiotics (Probios dispersable powder
    being my absolute favorite - it's the choice of exotic bird breeders, and I also have hookbills).

    (7) Or, you can go to the human health food store and pick up a human supplement like "acidophilus" (Lactobacilus
    acidophilus), or a combination of acidophilus and B. bifidum sold to combat
    yeast infections.

    (8) The latter is a particular useful thing for a poultry hobbiest to have.

    (9) The addition of b. bifidum helps combat thrush.
    Thrush is essentially a yeast infection that is common to birds because of
    the way their crops store feed in wet conditions.

    (10) Things tend to get fungus and yeast there, and thus the yeast infection. That infection
    goes throughout the bird's system and is really a mess, so that bifidum/acidophilus mix is the best. Try to find a non-dairy liquid, and you'll
    have the ultimate probiotic.

    (11)So, there are some options. I'd tend towards those. Also, if you're
    prescribed antibiotics for your birds' infection, you'll want to give
    PRObiotics daily during treatment. Antibiotics are unfortunately going
    to kill the good bacteria which are having such a difficult time getting
    established in y our babies as it is. The antibiotics will possibly do
    as much harm as good, so combat that bad effect with probiotics. Try
    giving them daily for about 3 days after the last batch of medicine.

    In case your babies are said to have an infection of E. coli (most
    likely case)

    (12) then you can try putting some vitamin E in their feed.
    Vitamin E helps fix E. coli overpopulations. You know what else helps fight
    E. coli? Guess: b. bifidum. It secrets a substance that E. coli just
    can't stand. See where this is going?

    Anyway, I'll just give you that to chew on. Let me know what you
    think or if you need more help. I'm here if you need me.

    Nathalie Ross, Houston, TX
     
  10. roll8221

    roll8221 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    ok. so i have gotten al the stuff.....made the mash....now they wont eat it. i aso have sulmet in thier water....anything else?
     

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