Newbie question about Blue and Lavender?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by B. Saffles Farms, Feb 27, 2009.

  1. B. Saffles Farms

    B. Saffles Farms Mr. Yappy Chickenizer

    Nov 23, 2008
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    okay the colors BLUE BLACK AND SPLASH, can Lavanders be in the SAME pen with these colors or will it hurt the other colors?

    Please be nice and help me out, with info Im trying to learn. Thanks in advanced.
     
  2. Smoky73

    Smoky73 Lyon Master

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    From what I understand yes, they can be in the same pen just that each offspring from the lavender bird might carry a lavender gene so if babies from those babies get the right combination of genes, they could end up being lavender.
     
  3. Henk69

    Henk69 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    The problem in my country is that in lavenders it is tolerated that the hackles are silver instead of lavender.
    That trait causes crosslings to be rusty.
    So make sure your lavenders do not have white or isabell feathers near the head.
     
  4. Sonoran Silkies

    Sonoran Silkies Flock Mistress

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    What is/are isabel? I see the term now and again, but I don't know what the english translation is.
     
  5. Big Blue

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    Another problem would be that you could not tell the difference between the light blue and the lavender.
     
  6. Henk69

    Henk69 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    isabell (from spanish isabella) is animal fanciers' colorterm for diluted colors.
    It is used for diluted gold, comparable to cream, and especially for the effect that lavender has on gold.
     
  7. B. Saffles Farms

    B. Saffles Farms Mr. Yappy Chickenizer

    Nov 23, 2008
    Madisonville, TN
    Thanks every body for the responses. [​IMG]
     
  8. Sonoran Silkies

    Sonoran Silkies Flock Mistress

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    isabell (from spanish isabella) is animal fanciers' colorterm for diluted colors.
    It is used for diluted gold, comparable to cream, and especially for the effect that lavender has on gold.

    Thanks. I've thought it must be referring to porcelain in some way, but wasn't sure exactly how. Di, ig & Cb all dilute pheomelanin. Is there a difference in the degree or something else noticable between the three? And are they cumulative, both from het to hom within each of them and also when more than one of these three is present?​
     
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  9. Henk69

    Henk69 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Good question. Research is feeble.
    Champagne blonde is very weakly documented. I came to doubt it.
    Dilute Di and cream ig were both segregated in a study analyzing buff.
    To my knowledge there is no clear Dilute-line of chickens used in science.

    So it is speculated to be in all kind of colors mostly in combination with a counteracting factor like autosomal red or mahogany.
    Those were also present in the buff study... [​IMG]

    Dilute and cream might dilute different parts of the chicken at different rates, like the neck hackles or breast. Their effect on mahogany and autosomal red might differ.

    Dilute is said to push back the blackness of the tail in columbian pattern by some. Don't forget we are desperate to explain the full buff phenotype compared to buff columbian. Cream shouldn't.

    I hope you get the picture.
     
  10. Sonoran Silkies

    Sonoran Silkies Flock Mistress

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    Another problem would be that you could not tell the difference between the light blue and the lavender.

    Light blue should still have darker hackles and saddle. Lavender should be evenly coloured throughout.​
     

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