The problem we had today, in killing them, not sure what we did wrong, but we used the insert knife into brain twist method which is suppose to be the quickest kill, but it did not kill them instantly like stated, what did we do wrong? did we miss the brain? or was it just nerves still moving them making there wings flap? 1 went limp almost immediately, then flapped as we cut the throat then the head off. The sight I got the info from stated they die instantly, and no flapping, and feathers pull out easier??? here's the sight for anyone else's reference. http://www.rogueturtle.com/articles/chicken.php So 1 more question, on after butchering how long do you let them bleed out? we left 1 hang while we caught another, then did the kill and doused the first in the hot water to pluck feathers, was that long enough maybe 10 to 12 minutes. I was worried about the heat it was getting up there by 10 am when were trying to get them done.