Pekin attacked! Now SURGERY? [PICS!!]

Discussion in 'Ducks' started by daidyducks, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. daidyducks

    daidyducks Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Again, I have lost a pekin duck due to some stupid cats attacking him. They got the male and he just couldn't
    Make it [​IMG] I guess to protect my female that is just wounded. This is the second time I lost a male from dogs/cats, hoping they were just trying to save Darling..

    R.i.p little Guy..

    Whereas Darling got scratched on her eye which she sorta fixed on her own. Her bill, which heals quick! And her skin right above her leg.. She got wounded only to a point where u can see her flesh. It wasn't deep or anything, maybe the size of a nickel, but since she scratches it nd such I believe it got bigger and infected.
    My neighbor has ducks and he said to just pour alcohol on the wound for a couple days, and I do, and it stops the bleeding but then she goes on scratching it again and it bleeds. I took her to a vet ( didn't find out they were NOT bird specialists ) and they cleaned her wound but suggested she get SURGERY to close the wound back up. My mom thinks simple "Mexican violet" (scarring solution) would do but I just need to hear from duck people (BACKYARDCHICKENS!)
    I can post pictures in a bit I just left her at my moms house because it was more convenient.

    Notes: she limps when she bleeds, but not when she's not. She has been crying with tears when she moves a lot. She eats, drinks, walks and digs but also gets her sad moments, maybe because she's seen too much..

    Thank you!! Any help is greatly appreciated!

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  2. scratch'n'peck

    scratch'n'peck Overrun With Chickens

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    Poor ducks. I would be more inclined to use neosprin ointment rather than alcohol on the wound. Is the wound not healing because she is scratching at it like you say or nibbling at it? (I just imagined a duck with one of those collars that they put on dogs to keep them from chewing. It's a funny image and I have no idea if something like that could work.)


    A picture would help. I am not sure how big or deep the wound is. Keep your eye out for any pus or funny smell from the wound. I'm glad she is eating, drinking and walking ok.
     
  3. dumb_cluck

    dumb_cluck Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Keep her as quiet as possible. She is in shock and has severe trauma. (I would personally would not advise surgery, very expensive and the outcome cannot be guaranteed)


    Try some "vet wrap" (non stick bandage) and neosporin. Hopefully she will not pick at it. Don't wrap real tight but enough to cover the wound.

    Lots of love, but not too much.... hope she gets better soon!
     
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  4. K4zn4v3

    K4zn4v3 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thats horrible! I use to have a problem with the neighbor's cat. I told the women to her face if the cat goes near my ducks, fifif wont be coming home tonight. Needless to say, I dont see the fluff ball anymore.
     
  5. Oregon Blues

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    I would not pay for surgery. I also would not take a duck to any vet who didn't specialize in birds. Get busy now and locate where that vet is in case you need one the next time.

    I suggest neosporin, keep her quiet and perhaps buy some of that spray-on bandage to seal it up after it is all cleaned up.

    I also suggest some way to keep your birds securely penned up so that the neighborhood hooligans can't kill them. Yes, you are in the right and the neighbors are in the wrong, but that isn't making your dead ducks feel any better about it.
     
  6. daidyducks

    daidyducks Chillin' With My Peeps

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    So, YES to Neosporin? A lot of people say no.. But a lot say yes
    Yes the wound bleeds when she nibbles at it.. I just saw her right now and she just seems to sleep and stand on her right leg, (leftie is where the wound is)
    Can any wound be great enough for surgery? How far should people consider surgery? Or should it be considered at all since ducks are small animals and may not be able to handle anesthesia..
    Do they heal quick?
    Can she actually Die from the infection spreading like the vets say?
    The receptionists had actually said the bird vet was there and when we left they said there were no bird vets in that clinic. >[​IMG]
    What do I do! What would you do? I'm dying. She's all I have left. She's my little baby..
     
  7. daidyducks

    daidyducks Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Should I put her in the tub with water so she can clean herself & so i can put neosporin while shes clean or is water around the wound not a good idea?
     
  8. Amiga

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    Do you know how deep the wound is? It may be okay to let her swim in clean (I know, I know - only for a few moments) warm water.

    But she could have internal infection - cat scratches are wicked. I feel she needs to be on oral antibiotics a.s.a.p.

    I would try to clip the feathers around the wound so I can see better what's going on. a sterile gauze with some sort of antibiotic over the wound, held with vet wrap would be worth a try.

    And you might want to make yourself a cup of herb tea while you're at it.

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  9. scratch'n'peck

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    I know it is hard when you don't know what to do for your pet. I have used neosporin on my ducks, some say not to use the variety with the pain relief ingredient. If you don't see pus or smell something bad or see signs of an abscess, then hopefully there is no really bad infection. It seems like the vet would have given an injection of antibiotic if their were clear signs of infection. The vet may be concerned that if the wound remains open their is a threat of infection. I don't think I would want someone who does not treat birds often putting one of my birds under anesthesia. My chickens healed really well from some serious wounds, but they were in areas where they could not peck at them.

    It seems that the key is protecting the wound from scratching and nibbling so that it can heal. They sell the vet wrap that sticks to itself in farm stores it is a little less expensive than the wrap you find in the pharmacy for humans but basically the same stuff. I know keeping a bandage on a bird is easier said than done. If that doesn't work then you can try the spray on bandage. I got that once at the pet store and used it on my chicken. I don't think that would stick on top of the ointment well, but it has antiseptic ingredients in it. The spray on bandage wouldn't protect the wound from her nibbling very well though.
     
  10. FarmrGirl

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    Quote:2x. cat scratches can lead to very serious infections! Vet tape is a good idea if she's picking at it, but tough to keep on her. Try No-Pick lotion (Best: http://www.randallburkey.com/PICK-NO-MORE-_-ANTI-PICK-LOTION-4-OZ/productinfo/29010/, amost as good but more available: Blu Kote: http://www.americanlivestock.com/pc-99-79-blu-kote.aspx#) smeared on top of the neosporin, it doesn't taste good so she'll keep her bill out of it, but this stuff really stains.

    You can let her take a bath in clean water that has vinegar in it. The vinegar is astringent and will help to clean out the wound. Dry her off and apply neosporin in a big, fat glob. Then put the No-Pick on top of that (use gloves). Give her some Poultry Nutri-Drench or Rooster Booster in her regular water for a couple of weeks to help with the stress and get those probiotics in her system. Use your nose to tell you how it's healing up. It'll smell a bit putrid in the beginning but get more "normal" duck smelling soon.

    I don't use antibiotics, only probiotics and neosporin - I buy great big tubs of "wound creme" at the feed store, it's the same thing. However, you can get injectable antibiotics at the feed store along with a pack of 18 gauge needles, get an acurate weight of the duck and administer the amount indicated on the bottle.

    From Longshadow Farms:
    "process for injecting: Alcohol rub bottle top first. Pull some air into your syringe. Stick the needle into the top of the bottle and inject some air into the bottle. Turn it upside down and draw solution into the syringe - more than you need. Flick finger on side of syringe to get air bubbles to go to top of syringe. Depress plunger to push the air out of the syringe and get the dosage to what it should be. Put the cap back on until you are ready to shoot. I hold the duck (and close my eyes) and he shoots. Covering the bird with a blanket will keep it quieter and it will not associate the needle prick directly with you. You should wipe the site you are injecting with rubbing alcohol, making sure you get the skin, not just feathers. Don't put the duck on its back since that just adds more stress. The most important thing when giving any antibiotic is giving the correct dose and not stopping treatment because they look better but follow through the entire recommended length of treatment." http://www.longshadowfarms.com/FAQ.html

    Good
    luck!!! The no-antibiotic way has worked well for me:

    Dog attack last year:

    This was soooooo deep! But these guys healed up fine and are still running around today.
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