These are my Butlers and Cots. Butlers aren't huge but the pen is 4 feet wide and the dog house was more than enough for a pair of Weimaraners. The Cots are 4 weeks old now but were 3 weeks old in the pics. They came from Quail Lady. I did get some Scaled and Valleys but had to much Crown Royal when I put them in the pens. I put them in a pens with 2x4 wire. LOL. And guess what? They got out. LOL. So no more Crown while messing with the birds.