planning on using no commercial feed, info and advice needed for chicks.

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  1. backyardmomma

    backyardmomma Out Of The Brooder

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    Hey i know we don't all agree but i have my reasons for not wanting to by commercial feed. It is a life style choice i am working on. I will be growing fodder and meal worms possiblely duckweed (if i find it ) and one day black soilder flys. But i don't know when these items will be ready. I will have chicks in a month or two i will get as much ready as u can right now. Please don't tell me to by feed thats not the answer i am looking for. I am willing to cook things for them. I have medium
    Grit sand. I have a lentils, beans, rice, corn meal, mixed veggies, grass, dried grass and verious mixed wild greens i know are chicken safe. And i can save up some eggs. I am willing to make a mushy meal from all these things or some and ffreeze it for storage ahead of time any idea and advice? I am aware they need a balanced diet. Know what the exact nutritional requirements are at different ages? Or where i can look to find info on this type of feeding? As well as amounts to feed? Thank you.
     
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    Thank you very much i really tried looking but couldn't find the amounts and stuff but it was late.
     
  3. ozexpat

    ozexpat CocoBeach Farm

    here are the nutritional requirements for poultry.

    if you are going to not buy a bag feed, you need to ensure that you meet all nutritional needs somehow

    Energy base kcal ME per kilogram diet* Growing 0 to 6 weeks Growing 6 to 14 weeks Growing 14 to 20 weeks Laying Laying, daily intake per hen** Breeding
    2,900 2,900 2,900 2,900 2,900
    Protein (%) 18 15 12 14.5 16,000 mg 14.5
    Arginine (%) 1 0.83 0.67 0.68 750 mg 0.68
    Glycine and serine (%) 0.7 0.58 0.47 0.5 550 mg 0.5
    Histidine (%) 0.26 0.22 0.17 0.16 180 mg 0.16
    Isoleucine (%) 0.6 0.5 0.4 0.5 550 mg 0.5
    Leucine (%) 1 0.83 0.67 0.73 800 mg 0.73
    Lysine (%) 0.85 0.6 0.45 0.64 700 mg 0.64
    Methionine + cystine (%) 0.6 0.5 0.4 0.55 600 mg 0.55
    Methionine (%) 0.3 0.25 0.2 0.32 350 mg 0.32
    Phenylalanine + tyrosine (%) 1 0.83 0.67 0.8 880 mg 0.8
    Phenylalanine (%) 0.54 0.45 0.36 0.4 440 mg 0.4
    Threonine (%) 0.68 0.57 0.37 0.45 500 mg 0.45
    Tryptophan (%) 0.17 0.14 0.11 0.14 150 mg 0.14
    Valine (%) 0.62 0.52 0.41 0.55 600 mg 0.55
    Linoleic acid (%) 1 1 1 1 1,100 mg 1
    Calcium (%) 0.8 0.7 0.6 3.4 3,750 mg 3.4
    Phosphorus, available (%) 0.4 0.35 0.3 0.32 350 mg 0.32
    Potassium (%) 0.4 0.3 0.25 0.15 165 mg 0.15
    Sodium (%) 0.15 0.15 0.15 0.15 165 mg 0.15
    Chlorine (%) 0.15 0.12 0.12 0.15 165 mg 0.15
    Magnesium (mg) 600 500 400 500 55 mg 500
    Manganese (mg) 60 30 30 30 3.30 mg 60
    Zinc (mg) 40 35 35 50 5.50 mg 65
    Iron (mg) 80 60 60 50 5.50 mg 60
    Copper (mg) 8 6 6 6 0.88 mg 8
    Iodine (mg) 0.35 0.35 0.35 0.3 0.03 mg 0.3
    Selenium (mg) 0.15 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.01 mg 0.1
    Vitamin A (IU) 1,500 1,500 1,500 4,000 440 mg 4,000
    Vitamin D (ICU) 200 200 200 500 55 mg 500
    Vitamin E (IU) 10 5 5 5 0.55 mg 10
    Vitamin K (mg) 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.055 mg 0.5
    Riboflavin (mg) 3.6 1.8 1.8 2.2 0.242 mg 3.8
    Pantothenic acid (mg) 10 10 10 2.2 0.242 mg 10
    Niacin (mg) 27 11 11 10 1.10 mg 10
    Vitamin B12 (mg) 0.009 0.003 0.003 0.004 0.00044 mg 0.004
    Choline (mg) 1,300 900 500 ? ? mg ?
    Biotin (mg) 0.15 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.011 mg 0.15
    Folacin (mg) 0.55 0.25 0.25 0.25 0.0275 mg 0.35
    Thiamin (mg) 1.8 1.3 1.3 0.8 0.088 mg 0.8
    Pyridoxine (mg) 3 3 3 3 0.33 mg 4.5
     
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  4. ozexpat

    ozexpat CocoBeach Farm

    I make my own feeds but from commercial ingredients. These include rice bran, corn bran. fish meal, copra meal and soy meal.

    I also add oyster shells, salt and a vitamin and mineral premix.

    you can get nutritonal data from the labels of any stuff you buy or type nutional data and the product name in google

    feedipedia.org is also useful.

    I wish you luck. its going to take a few hundred hours of research to become a chicken nutrionalist otherwise you will be neglecting your birds.
     
  5. backyardmomma

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    Thank you even if i have to buy at first i don't want to keep buying i am aiming to be self contained i we are will to grow anything extra and will be doing fodder and other things thank you so much that list is perfect. Now i can truly plain.
     
  6. ozexpat

    ozexpat CocoBeach Farm

    look at planting mulberry trees and a filipino tree called malunggay

    both have good protein in their leaves. malunggay is exceptional
     
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    I am looking for fruited mullberrys to shade and feed future bunnies. So they would be great for them to? This is awesome.
     
  8. backyardmomma

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    Also i am willing to research every little thing i got and will get and now that i got the nutritional chart it is very doable if i have to get feed and supplement at first to give me more time i will. I will not let them suffer. I am all about healthy high quality life even if a animal is live stock. Love and proper care are required.
     
  9. ozexpat

    ozexpat CocoBeach Farm

    not the fruits but the leaves

    Main analysis Unit
    Avg​
    SD​
    Min​
    Max​
    Nb​
    Dry matter % as fed
    38.3​
    1​
    Crude protein % DM
    17.6​
    1​
    Crude fibre % DM
    7.4​
    1​
    Ether extract % DM
    11.5​
    1​
    Ash % DM
    20.4​
    1​
    Gross energy MJ/kg DM
    17.4​
    *

    Minerals Unit
    Avg​
    SD​
    Min​
    Max​
    Nb​
    Calcium g/kg DM
    21.5​
    1​
    Phosphorus g/kg DM
    1.3​
    1​

    Amino acids Unit
    Avg​
    SD​
    Min​
    Max​
    Nb​
    Arginine % protein
    5.8​
    1​
    Glycine % protein
    5.6​
    1​
    Histidine % protein
    2.1​
    1​
    Isoleucine % protein
    4.6​
    1​
    Leucine % protein
    8.7​
    1​
    Lysine % protein
    4.2​
    1​
    Methionine % protein
    1.8​
    1​
    Phenylalanine % protein
    5.5​
    1​
    Threonine % protein
    2.8​
    1​
    Tyrosine % protein
    4.0​
    1​
    Valine % protein
    5.7​
    1​
    The asterisk * indicates that the average value was obtained by an equation.
     
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