Porcelain and Lavender in Same Breeding Pen?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by speckledhen, Jan 15, 2010.

  1. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    I sort of get lavender, but love porcelain. They are related, right. or did I read something wrong? Would it be stupid to put lavs and porcelains in one breeding pen? I'm thinking lavender (self blue) and porcelain D'uccles here. Lav x porcelain = ?

    ((asking because I love them both and can't decide [​IMG] ))

  2. shelleyd2008

    shelleyd2008 the bird is the word

    Sep 14, 2008
    Adair Co., KY
    From my understanding, porcelain is 'made' from crossing lavender with mille fleur. So I would think porcelains with lavenders is okay, it should just give you more lavenders. [​IMG]
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2010
  3. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    Thanks, Shelley. [​IMG]
  4. TurtleFeathers

    TurtleFeathers Fear the Turtle!

    Jan 9, 2009
    By the Chesapeake Bay
    Depends on what you're looking to produce, IMO. If you want to produce only lavenders, keep just lavenders together. If you only want to produce porcelain, keep just porcelains together. But since porcelain is technically a "lavender mille fleur", whereas a bird is visual for both colors at the same time, you could end up with both lavenders and porcelains (if you kept them all together), depending on which/how many birds carry the mottling gene. Experts, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you could even wind up with lavender mottled, I believe?
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2010
  5. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    I think any of the three, lavender, porcelain, or lavender mottled would be fine by me. If I do start a D'Uccle flock, I'd probably sell hatching eggs from time to time, so wanted to be certain what could come out of that pen of lavs and porcelains.

  6. herechickchick

    herechickchick Songster

    Mar 28, 2007
    Memphis TN
    Cyn I can not believe you want bantams! You are going to LOVE them. I personally want Porcelain D'Anvers (no feathered feet for me [​IMG]).
  7. catwalk

    catwalk Songster

    May 19, 2009
    I'd call them compatible, like BBS.
  8. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    Quote:Honestly, I can see one laying flock and one bantam breeding flock and no other separate groups. We make pets of them all anyway, and my banty Cochin, Shadow, is a character. We've enjoyed her more than we expected to. I know that I can get lavs and porcelains in the D'Anvers, too, so that is a possibility as well. I go back and forth on the feathered feet issue myself. As you know, I do have two Brahmas and Shadow, plus Glenda, who is my Buff Brahma's daughter with Suede, so there are a few with the feathered feet here. Not sure if I want a whole flock of them, though, so I'm debating D'Uccles vs D'Anvers. I know that Henry wants me to get some Salmon Favs from him, so that's a possibility some day, but I just really love lavs and porcelains in the bantam sizes.

    Thanks, catwalk. That makes sense.
  9. LeBlackbird

    LeBlackbird Songster

    Aug 17, 2009
    SE Pennsylvania
    I wouldn't do it...

    it's like putting black and Millie fluer together, Lavender is Nothing like the BBS gene!

  10. Sonoran Silkies

    Sonoran Silkies Flock Mistress

    Jan 4, 2009
    Tempe, Arizona
    Quote:Not quite, but if you can breed mottle into your lavenders in at least one dose it should work. First generation of lavender X porcelain (or porcelain X lavender) will produce no mottled birds, but all will be split for mottle. Breed the split mottle lavender birds to porcelain and you should get 50% birds who are lav/lav mo/mo and 50% lav/lav Mo+/mo. That doesn't take into account other genes needed for the mille fleur pattern.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20071111220301/home.ezweb.com.au/~kazballea/belgians/genetics.htm will give you a lot of information on what you can mix together. I believe Henk hosts this on his site now, but I can't find the link [​IMG]

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