Project with Buford Bronze color, opinions please! :)

Discussion in 'Peafowl' started by 6littlechickies, Aug 6, 2010.

  1. 6littlechickies

    6littlechickies Chillin' With My Peeps

    May 12, 2009
    Burton, OH
    DH and I have been thinking we need a long term project with our peafowl so we've decide to try to breed out a Buford Bronze Blackshoulder White Eyed. We do currently have all we need to get to this, although it's obviously going to take some time! Wanted to post out thoughts here and get some feedback from the experts. ANY and ALL input is welcome! I know we have a lot of experts on here and we really value your guidance.

    We currently have 12 total but 4 of those are not in the 'plan' and are actually for sale (PM me if anyone is interested in them, pics are on my BYC page).

    BS pair
    Buford Bronze pair
    Buford Bronze split to BS hen
    SP pair
    White yearling hen
    IB yearling pair
    Spalding pied yearling peacock
    Purple BS yearling peacock

    In spring we plan to divide them up into three pens:

    pen 1:SP pair plus white female
    pen 2: BS pair
    pen 3: Bronze pair plus BS split bronze hen

    To be sold: IB pair, Spalding pied and Purple BS.

    We hope to first get Bronze BS and then add in the white eye. [​IMG]

    If our calculations are correct (and here is where I look to DH as I tend to get twisted up)...
    pen 1 will produce from SP pair 25% white, 75% SP and then from SP/white 50% white and 50% SP (is this right? [​IMG] ).
    pen 2 will produce all BS.
    pen 3 will produce bronze from bronze pair and from bronze x BS split bronze 50% bronze split to BS and 50% split bronze split BS.

    thinking to add a BS white eye hen to pen 2 to produce BS white eye. We could also put a BS white eye in pen 3 to get split bronze split BS white eye.

    Out of these pairs we would look to keep any of the bronze split to BS and any BS white eye or split bronze split BS white eye (depending on which pen the hen goes to).

    anyone still with me??? [​IMG]

    So out of the chicks we keep, fast forward 3 years and we will create new pens with the following

    pen 4: split bronze split BS white eye pen
    pen 5: split bronze split BS and bronze split to BS to solidify just the BS trait.

    from those pens this is where our percentages get hazy...

    pen 4: bronze white eye, bronze BS white eye, IB white eye, IB BS white eye and splits to all those combinations.
    pen 5: bronze BS, IB, IB BS, bronze and splits.

    of these we would keep any bronze BS white eye (of course-that's the end goal! LOL) and bronze BS.

    Whew! ambitious project I know and long term but the very idea of this excited both DH and I. He is a scientist and is loving all the genetics, I'm a hatchaholic and loving all the hatching. it's a win-win for us! [​IMG]

    Anyone have any thoughts, ideas, suggestions...anything?
     
  2. Kedreeva

    Kedreeva Longfeather Lane

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    Your silver pied pen will produce, I think, 25% white, 25% dark pied, and 50% silver pied. Dark pied looks like IB but with white wing edges and if bred to.... I think white? will produce 100% SP. I don't know anything about the others- the dark pieds are the two babies I have (came from a pen of all silver pieds), so I asked a to of questions about them.
     
  3. 6littlechickies

    6littlechickies Chillin' With My Peeps

    May 12, 2009
    Burton, OH
    thanks Kedreeva, I didn't that one sounded quite right. hmm, might have to start thinking about the dark pied and how/if they would fit in.
     
  4. Kedreeva

    Kedreeva Longfeather Lane

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    Quote:If they don't fit in, you can give them to me! [​IMG] Rewind though, the dark pied, if I remember correctly (and I could be BSing you because my memory is bad) are a white-eyed mutation as well, coming from the SP. So they'll have (or carry, I'm really not sure) the white eye gene.

    May I ask, why are you using normal silver pied instead of BS silver pied, if you are looking to get a BS bird? Is it just because you already have them?
     
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  5. 6littlechickies

    6littlechickies Chillin' With My Peeps

    May 12, 2009
    Burton, OH
    Yes, just b/c we have him is why he's in the plan. [​IMG] We really loved his look and knew we could get the white eye gene from him but hadn't even thought of a BS one. you are feeding into our obsession....that's a good idea...might have to see if we can find one.

    know anyone looking for a pair of IB yearlings? lol need to make some room! [​IMG]
     
  6. Kedreeva

    Kedreeva Longfeather Lane

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    Quote:I don't know anyone (I mean, I do but I don't have monies to buy more), but you could try bringing them to Indiana's animal swap meet next weekend, or post them in the Buy, Sell, Trade part of BYC. The swap meet is a terrible idea if you actually want a good price for them- people go to the swaps looking for cheap stuff. We got an IB male yearling at the first swap this year for $20, but most people were selling between $35 an $100. In years past we've seen people buy chicks for like $5.

    On the other hand, it's worth going to see if you can find cheap stuff!
     
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  7. 6littlechickies

    6littlechickies Chillin' With My Peeps

    May 12, 2009
    Burton, OH
    I did just the IB pair https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=383304. [​IMG]

    We are a bit far from Indiana (in the NE part of OH, near the PA border) but are planning on a couple shows/swaps this fall in Ohio so we may end up bringing them there. I guess worst case we just wait till spring to sell them. We have the room to over winter them so I'm not in a huge hurry to sell but b/c they aren't in the 'plan' they will be rehomed.
     
  8. jimmythechicken

    jimmythechicken Chillin' With My Peeps

    Jun 8, 2010
    mansfield
    i love the buford bronze but my little girl loves the bright colors so i will wait till she moves out before i get my bronze birds she is only 10 so it will be awhile. [​IMG] lol
     
  9. 6littlechickies

    6littlechickies Chillin' With My Peeps

    May 12, 2009
    Burton, OH
    Quote:that's DH and I, he loves the colors like the BS but I'm a much bigger fan of the muted colors...just something about how understated they are that I just love! [​IMG]

    Hey, if all works out for us maybe i'll have some to sell ya when your little one is ready to move out! [​IMG]

    We are lucky that all three of our kiddos seem to like all the colors...they also realize the peafowl are 'mom and dad's' and they get to pick their own animals. My 7YO DD has bantam russian orloff's, my 4YO DS has a potbellied pig and the 2YO DS has a pygmy goat. LOL!
     

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