puppy training....please help

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I have a new puppy a st bernard female and she is just about 4 months old. I am having trouble teaching her to come when loose in my back yard it is like she just ignores me she hears me and sees me makes eye contact then runs around all spazy and sometimes she does come but if she is not I have to walk out there and get real close to her and then she does she knows she will get in trouble I am assuming.

Also with staying in either sit or lying position once there and she knows how to sit and lay down but does not always do them on command yet I keep having to be right on top of her to do them. I do make her redo them each time even if she tears off like a maniac. I do correct her by redoing it till she does it......when she gets back to me or I get to her.

I am using treats and praise but she focuses on my hand or the bag the treats are in...I put the bag up and just have some in my hand that is all she cares about when I do have her attention...which I don't wanna give her one until she does what I want but if I don't constantly give them to her she is in another world instantly.

Like she is to excited or hyper and her attention span is so bad worse than a 2 year old childs.

What age is appropriate to teach each thing? How soon do I switch from teaching one thing to another? Can you teach more than one at the same time?


Any ideas?
 
My mom taught our old dog how to come by attaching her to her leash and telling her to come while giving a gentle tug towards her so that she understood which way to come and when she moved towards her even a little bit she gave her praise and when she came all the way she gave her a treat. You could try getting a treat bag for your belt or just keeping the treats in your pocket and approaching the puppy without her knowing you have the treats to begin with.
As for the other tricks we started teaching my schnauzer right away to sit and once she for sure had that one down we went to lay down and when had that one down for sure we moved on to the next trick and so on. She is now to the point due to her hyperness that she will do all of her tricks as fast as possible with out even being asked to do so she just has to see a treat.
I hope this helped at least a little bit...
 
I have a st.bernard/rotti stubborn thing.
get a good sturdy choke chain a good sturdy leash
and do as the previous poster put. start off by having her sit just in front of you on the leash.
have slack on the leash and then ask her to come and at the same time you give her a gentle but firm tug and have a treat ready.
try keeping the treat possible in a hip sack or a baggy in your pocket and dont let her see you get it out and ready.
when she comes to you make her sit again and then give her the treat and praise her up.
do this over and over and over and over and over and over until she comes readily from a short distance with you hanging onto the leash so that if she does try to bolt she cant.
then do this same distance but not hanging onto the leash maybe have it on the ground with your foot on it and repeat that
then just keep making her sit and stay and make the distance more every time.
hopefully eventually she will get it.
try practising for about 10 to 15 minutes a day with focused training then do it with play like fetch or something.
slowly eliminate the treats from everytime to every few times.
works great with my dogs. when I stick to it.
Good luck
 
sounds like a normal 4 month old puppy...they don't speak English, so you wouldn't expect her to know what "come" means. Whatever you do, do NOT EVER scold or punish her when she comes to you, no matter how many times you've called or how long it takes (or how mad you are!). You will only teach her that coming gets her in trouble. Dogs live in the moment, praise or correction must be instant or they will attach your response to the wrong action. I use clicker training, which, once the dog understands what the clicker means, allows you to "reward" the exact behavior you want. LIke any other reward system, once the dog knows what you want, you needn't have the clicker at all times...I just use it to teach a new behavior, then "fade" it out.

Your puppy needs to learn that all good things come from you. Attention, food, going outside, getting toys or treats, walks, everything. I suggest using NILIF - Nothing In Life Is Free. First, you have to pick up all the toys, close all the doors, put away all the food bowls. If your little charmer wants to play, she has to sit. Then she gets her toy. Then you teach her to give the toy back after a few minutes by offering a treat or another toy, telling her "give" , and AFTER she gives you the first toy, she gets the other one, or the treat. When you decide playtime is over, you go get the toy from her (this time, use a treat to reward her for giving up the toy), and put the toy away where she can't get it. Then take her out or do something else with her (maybe a training session). Teach her to come in the house first, before you try it outside.

Before she goes out, or gets petted, or gets her food, or ANYTHING she wants, she has to give you something. She has to sit, or lie down, or come, or stay, or fetch, or play dead, or whatever - but nothing in life is free, she has to work for everything she gets. This is not forever, just to teach her that you are a very important person who controls all the good things in life. When I get a new puppy, at meal times, I hold the dish and hand feed one kibble at a time, asking the pup to sit, or down, or "watch me", or stay, depending on age and level of training. I am the supplier and controller of the food. I never leave food down all the time. If you do that, you are not controlling the food, and therefore are less important to the dog.

You don't want to be a stern and scolding despot, you want to be a benevolent dictator. Just like a toddler who doesn't have manners or self control or understanding of rules, you have to teach your pup with firm, fair consistency. You will get a lot farther, a lot better results if you use more praise than scolding. Praise small steps toward the behavior you want. For instance, if you call the dog and she turns to look at you, tell her "good girl". Show her a treat or toy, and call her again if necessary, Praise and reward when she comes toward you. Have a party when she arrives.

You don't say whether she got any socailization or training or was taught basic manners in her former home, and you don't say how long you've had her. I would also recommend crate training her. It will give her a safe place to be when she can't be watched, and it is one more aspect of her life that you can control. It will also give her a "den" to hang out in.

Don't wait to start her education. Be patient, realize that she doesn't have a clue what you want, and she has no reason to think that what you want is more important than what she wants. I start training my pups the day they come home (8 weeks old). Like any young thing, attention span is limited, but each thing she learns will be a foundation for the next thing. She is learning how to learn from you, and each thing will be just a tiny bit easier to teach than the last one was. I would not teach too many things in one lesson - I might spend ten or fifteen minutes teaching sit and down. then go do something else, and later in the day spend ten or fifteen minutes teaching sit and stand. Teach come at every opportunity!

THere is far too much to put in one post, but do your homework, read a lot and do what makes sense to you. Build a good trusting relationship with your dog and you will be able to do anything with her, in partnership. If there's a local St Bernard breed club around, contact them. Go to the American Kennel Club website (AKC) and click on your breed and you should find a listing of local clubs. If you can take her to obedience classes, do it as soon as possible. She is going to be very big and needs to learn to go places and be around people and other dogs without being afraid or defensive. Even if she will spend most of her life on your property, she will need to go to the vet and you will probably have company at times...teach her NOW that new experiences are fun, or you may well have a real problem later. You may notice from my tag line that I have Newfoundlands...trust me when I say - SOCIALIZE HER!!!

Besides, it's a blast to take your big dog places. I thoroughly enjoy being able to have my dogs' company while I'm out and about. They go with me to the feed store (they can go in), and the hardware store (Lowe's is dog friendly), we go to a local park sometimes just for somewhere different to go...we drive into town and go for walks so the dogs learn that cars won't attack them and that buildings and other walkers don't hurt.

Above all, enjoy your dog. Training should be fun for you both. And remember, the dog doesn't know the difference between learning sit and come or learning a "trick" like shake hands or play dead. It should all be just as enjoyable for you both. Good luck!
 
Paying attention to the treats more than you at this point is ok. Later you will phase out the treats. For now be interesting. Give her treats for being around you. Constantly keep moving. Don't go for 3min downs and sits. Give a command, reinforce the command immediately if she doesn't do it (like pushing down on her butt or up on the collar to get a sit), give treat, and ask for something else right away. Move around. Walk, run, change directions, call her the whole time, give out treats, and just keep moving. Puppies want to go and you can use that energy to motivate her and get her interested in you. If you have to you can put her on a leash but a dog that has been given a choice and convinced to stay with you by choice is going to make a better dog than one that was forced to stay and pay attention. You run the risk of having a dog that only listens while on a leash or when in a situation they can't ignore you and then ignores you when it's important such as while off leash and about to dash in to the road.

Eventually stop giving treats for random stuff and only when she carries out a command. After that is going well then randomly don't give a treat for carrying out a command and praise or throw a toy instead. Slowly switch to not giving a treat more often than you give it and soon you will be giving commands with no treat and no leash and having her follow every one of them. Dog classes would get you there faster but I would specifically look for positive motivation classes that do not use choke chains unless absolutely necessary. Again a dog that can be handled on a buckle collar or no collar is going to make a better dog than one that is forced in to it by a fancy collar or training aid.
 
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Always be prepared to go and get the pup when you call her to you. If you aren't dressed or whatever, don't call her. This teaches them to ignore you. Call her to you if she doesn't come then go get her and pull her to the place you originally called her to encouraging her all the while. Then praise her. Keep training sessions short. Maybe 15 minutes at a time.
If there are several of you in the family then put her on a long lead and take turns with each person calling her. Encourage her to come and give her lots of praise. Make it fun for her.
As far as the down stay. Work with her on a lead. You might only be able to step a few inches in front of her with her staying down at first. If she goes to stand you will be close enough to put her back into a down. Again, work on it for a short time and end on a positive note. You will be able to move farther away from her s she gets the idea of what you want.
I always end training sessions with the same release word. I use "All Done".
She is young and has a lot of puppy in her still. It will get easier. It helps too to play fetch or take her for a long walk ahead of time.
 
for calling to you,,have a leash on her like others have said...just walk around and when she is not paying attention to you,,walk backwards suddenly,calling her in a HAPPY TONE,clapping your hands and get on the ground if you have to,,just make her coming to you the best party EVER,,,if all a person does is stand and call in a flat boring tone,,why would a pup come to them,,I wouldnt even..let her walk out to the end of the leash,,if needed give a little tug,but most times you shouldnt even need to use the leash,,its just on for a correction if needed..pups react to HAPPY upbeat positive praise..the sits and down stays,she is pretty young to expect a lot..I would be happy if a 4 month old ended up on the down upside down and all fours in the air for 10 seconds..I am not a fan of treats or clickers,,I use positive praise above anything else,if say my 10 month old breaks her stay I will give her a "aahhhrr" sound in a growly voice and put her back in her stay..the growly thing works good for me,comes from the herding training when off leash and popcorn sheep are distracting them..use a word or sound that comes naturally to you,doesnt have to be a certain "word" trainers might use,if it doesnt come naturally out of you mouth you take to much time to think about the correct word and then your correction wont be quick enough for the pup to understand what it is for.All training progressing depends on how consistant you are,how much time you invest and of course the mental capacity of the pup,,some just cant focus much yet,,give her a week or a month and she might have a whole new attitude.
 
I also have a 4mth old Saint. She is bribed easily by treats so we are usuing them to get her to come,sit,stay and so on. I would also recommend puppy training classes, dogs this big need manners.
 

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