okay, with the help of some great folks here I have established that I have a pretty good bator. Thank you I have even fiqured out how to use it. again Thank you. NOW, for how to lay the eggs IN there. It has 2 turners. I plan on using these. THEN, on day 18 I will take the eggs and put them on bottom, under the 2 turners, cause I have fears of them falling and getting caught in the arms of the turner. Here is my question. I have wooden boxes that came with the bator (not sure if they are after market, or sold with it.. ) Do you set cartons in there? putting the eggs with big side up (pointy side down) then they shift left and right as the arms turn? now when I put them in the bottom, do I lay them on their side? take them out of the carton adn lay them down? OR do I leave them in their carton and let them sit pointy side down and they will pip and zip on their own, then walk out of the carton? (after getting their land legs...) and why am I doing this? chickens dont put them pointy side up or down, they drop them in and the egg lays naturally on its side, with the chicken moving, turning and adjusting as she see's fit. But never turning them on their tops or bottoms... I dont want the chick to acclimate itself to being point side up/down what ever and then laying it on its side and screwing with its sense of whats up adn down, but I dont want it to need to be pointy side up, or pip and zip in the half that is stuck in the carton... Did any of this make sense? And please use terms that would make it easy for a moron to understand, I am blonde, plus I have 4 kids annoying me at all times. So I have to learn while multitasking... tell me your method, and why you do that (cause my grandmother did it and told me to is completly acceptable. ) so I can understand what makes sense to me.