Red Tuxedo Coturnix quail - PIC INTENSIVE

Discussion in 'Quail' started by spookyevilone, Dec 26, 2008.

  1. spookyevilone

    spookyevilone Crazy Quail Lady

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    Here are the pictures of my red tuxedo roo. The female looks just like him. For comparison, I have pictures of my normal tuxedo "mutt" female. I also have pics of the red tuxedo chick. I left them high res and big so you can see the actual colours. Had a hard time getting pics - none of the birds wanted to sit still, and Bumbles especially is giving me a rather unimpressed look.

    Red tux 'roo:
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    Normal coloured tuxedo "mutt", Bumbles:
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    Red tux chick:
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  2. monarc23

    monarc23 Coturnix Obsessed

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    I can't see them very well they wont shrink I tried to get them to several times [​IMG]

    However, from what i see they look like the lighter version of a tibetan (tuxedo- tibe with white). Tuxedos (and tibes) can come in both light and dark. I might be wrong, but I'll talk to my friends over seas about it. They've got a lot more colors over seas than we do here (in both coturnix and buttons).

    I want their cinnamons from over seas [​IMG]
     
  3. monarc23

    monarc23 Coturnix Obsessed

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    I just went back to strombergs site are you talking about their "rosettas?" If so, those are hybrids (not a purebred Coturnix). That would explain why that's not a color I recognize in Coturnix (esp in Tibetan/Tuxedo). I bet they mixed them with bobwhite to get that, as in bobwhites they have those Texas reds or whatever they're called....*just an assumption*.

    The discription of these hybrids according to their site have " Rosetta Special hybrid variety for prolific egg laying. Cinnamon colored with white lacing and white chest. Quiet temperament. Adult wt. 6-8 oz
    #QUAIR " http://www.strombergschickens.com/stock/button_quail.php


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    if so, they're not new I've seen Stromberg with em for a while. [​IMG] I've just never been interested in hybrids mixing in with my true coturnix flock. If this is a new mutation of PURE coturnix then I am deffinatly interested! However from looking at their site im assuming it's the rosettas am I right or...is there a new color I need to grab for!?! LOL!
     
  4. spookyevilone

    spookyevilone Crazy Quail Lady

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    Quote:These haven't been offered through Stromberg's yet. The line was just developed a few years ago and the final test generation run last fall. Stromberg's won't even be offering them until later this year, from what I understand. They got their line from Cheap Chicks, which is where I got my pair. All she does is develop new lines. My buttons are all from her, too, and if I'm right about one of the sets I paired, up, I have a new colour line in development. I have one pair that has so far thrown chicks with silver wing tips regardless of the colour of the chick. If that breeds true, it's going to start a whole new pretty line.

    The Reds are not a mutt. It's a true Coturnix, a colour mutation that was just developed. There's no Bobwhite in them. There's Bobwhite in Bumbles, she's a mutt. I'm breeding her to a full Tibetan to see what comes out the other side. The Red Tux's are paired and producing red tux chicks. Which means it can't be a hybrid, because a hybrid plus a hybrid will never equal another hybrid, it'll throw either sports or dominants. It does seem to be a recessive trait, though. Which, to me, says it's not just a dilute of the Tibetan colour since that's always dominant whether light or dark.

    My goal with them is to get a line that has perfect penguin markings. I can't tell yet if this chick has them - his mother does, but his father has a dark blotch of feathers right by his eye.

    -Spooky
     
  5. monarc23

    monarc23 Coturnix Obsessed

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    Quote:These haven't been offered through Stromberg's yet. The line was just developed a few years ago and the final test generation run last fall. Stromberg's won't even be offering them until later this year, from what I understand. They got their line from Cheap Chicks, which is where I got my pair. All she does is develop new lines. My buttons are all from her, too, and if I'm right about one of the sets I paired, up, I have a new colour line in development. I have one pair that has so far thrown chicks with silver wing tips regardless of the colour of the chick. If that breeds true, it's going to start a whole new pretty line.

    The Reds are not a mutt. It's a true Coturnix, a colour mutation that was just developed. There's no Bobwhite in them. There's Bobwhite in Bumbles, she's a mutt. I'm breeding her to a full Tibetan to see what comes out the other side. The Red Tux's are paired and producing red tux chicks. Which means it can't be a hybrid, because a hybrid plus a hybrid will never equal another hybrid, it'll throw either sports or dominants. It does seem to be a recessive trait, though. Which, to me, says it's not just a dilute of the Tibetan colour since that's always dominant whether light or dark.

    My goal with them is to get a line that has perfect penguin markings. I can't tell yet if this chick has them - his mother does, but his father has a dark blotch of feathers right by his eye.

    -Spooky

    Interestinnnnnn!!! [​IMG] My day-dream is to get a new mutation in my coturnix. I'm very interested in seeing what you get from these reds! <---as you progress in perfecting them [​IMG]

    My only fear is I don't want hybrids in my coturnix, so I'm really picky where I get my birds from. I don't mind breeding hybrids but if i ever did they'd be separated completley from my true coturnixs just to avoid any mixing. The rosettas scare me as people think they're a true coturnix (when it says plan as day on the strombergs site that they're hybrids *i emailed strombergs about it because im curious if they can tell me the hybrid mix so I can inform others what this specific color is truely a mix of). So I am glad to see that these reds you're working with are true coturnix! Gives me a great sigh of relief! LOL!

    When you get your reds where you want em, please send me pictures ([email protected]) I'd love to see em (since for some reason I cant see them on here very well *cries*) and if I got your permission I'd add them to my big coturnix post as a new color mutation<---with credit where it's due! [​IMG] Up to you though.

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  6. spookyevilone

    spookyevilone Crazy Quail Lady

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    Quote:These haven't been offered through Stromberg's yet. The line was just developed a few years ago and the final test generation run last fall. Stromberg's won't even be offering them until later this year, from what I understand. They got their line from Cheap Chicks, which is where I got my pair. All she does is develop new lines. My buttons are all from her, too, and if I'm right about one of the sets I paired, up, I have a new colour line in development. I have one pair that has so far thrown chicks with silver wing tips regardless of the colour of the chick. If that breeds true, it's going to start a whole new pretty line.

    The Reds are not a mutt. It's a true Coturnix, a colour mutation that was just developed. There's no Bobwhite in them. There's Bobwhite in Bumbles, she's a mutt. I'm breeding her to a full Tibetan to see what comes out the other side. The Red Tux's are paired and producing red tux chicks. Which means it can't be a hybrid, because a hybrid plus a hybrid will never equal another hybrid, it'll throw either sports or dominants. It does seem to be a recessive trait, though. Which, to me, says it's not just a dilute of the Tibetan colour since that's always dominant whether light or dark.

    My goal with them is to get a line that has perfect penguin markings. I can't tell yet if this chick has them - his mother does, but his father has a dark blotch of feathers right by his eye.

    -Spooky

    Interestinnnnnn!!! [​IMG] My day-dream is to get a new mutation in my coturnix. I'm very interested in seeing what you get from these reds! <---as you progress in perfecting them [​IMG]

    My only fear is I don't want hybrids in my coturnix, so I'm really picky where I get my birds from. I don't mind breeding hybrids but if i ever did they'd be separated completley from my true coturnixs just to avoid any mixing. The rosettas scare me as people think they're a true coturnix (when it says plan as day on the strombergs site that they're hybrids *i emailed strombergs about it because im curious if they can tell me the hybrid mix so I can inform others what this specific color is truely a mix of). So I am glad to see that these reds you're working with are true coturnix! Gives me a great sigh of relief! LOL!

    When you get your reds where you want em, please send me pictures ([email protected]) I'd love to see em (since for some reason I cant see them on here very well *cries*) and if I got your permission I'd add them to my big coturnix post as a new color mutation<---with credit where it's due! [​IMG] Up to you though.

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    They're not my mutation [​IMG] They're from Pam at Cheap Chicks. She's the one who developed the line, but she doesn't care about the markings, just the colours. I want to see if I can perfect the markings. Don't know if it's possible yet.

    The images are at:

    http://www.crazyquaillady.com/tux1.JPG and then tux2.JPG, tux3.JPG, tuxchick1.JPG, tuxchick2.JPG, tuxchick3.JPG, bumbles1.JPG, bumbles2.JPG.

    If that doesn't work, let me know and I'll email them to you, but they're huge. I can try to resize, but I suck at it.

    I think the hybrids can be interesting, but hybrids as a whole bother me because they don't breed true. Bumbles has striking, lovely markings, but I have no idea what colour chicks she'll breed.

    I'm very interested in colour breeding the buttons, because everyone else seems to colony breed them. That would drive me crazy. The unfortunate thing is that my adults came out of colonies, so I have no idea what's in their history - which is why I'm hatching them right now, to see what comes of the pairs I have. Out of my second pair, so far I've got three chicks with a signature mark that isn't a trait I've seen on any of the button quail breeder pages, and two that have colours I haven't seen anywhere either. They look like black and yellow five stripe gophers with white wingtips. They're only a day old, so I'm waiting to see what colour the feathers come in.

    -Spooky
     
  7. monarc23

    monarc23 Coturnix Obsessed

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    Quote:Interestinnnnnn!!! [​IMG] My day-dream is to get a new mutation in my coturnix. I'm very interested in seeing what you get from these reds! <---as you progress in perfecting them [​IMG]

    My only fear is I don't want hybrids in my coturnix, so I'm really picky where I get my birds from. I don't mind breeding hybrids but if i ever did they'd be separated completley from my true coturnixs just to avoid any mixing. The rosettas scare me as people think they're a true coturnix (when it says plan as day on the strombergs site that they're hybrids *i emailed strombergs about it because im curious if they can tell me the hybrid mix so I can inform others what this specific color is truely a mix of). So I am glad to see that these reds you're working with are true coturnix! Gives me a great sigh of relief! LOL!

    When you get your reds where you want em, please send me pictures ([email protected]) I'd love to see em (since for some reason I cant see them on here very well *cries*) and if I got your permission I'd add them to my big coturnix post as a new color mutation<---with credit where it's due! [​IMG] Up to you though.

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    They're not my mutation [​IMG] They're from Pam at Cheap Chicks. She's the one who developed the line, but she doesn't care about the markings, just the colours. I want to see if I can perfect the markings. Don't know if it's possible yet.

    The images are at:

    http://www.crazyquaillady.com/tux1.JPG and then tux2.JPG, tux3.JPG, tuxchick1.JPG, tuxchick2.JPG, tuxchick3.JPG, bumbles1.JPG, bumbles2.JPG.

    If that doesn't work, let me know and I'll email them to you, but they're huge. I can try to resize, but I suck at it.

    I think the hybrids can be interesting, but hybrids as a whole bother me because they don't breed true. Bumbles has striking, lovely markings, but I have no idea what colour chicks she'll breed.

    I'm very interested in colour breeding the buttons, because everyone else seems to colony breed them. That would drive me crazy. The unfortunate thing is that my adults came out of colonies, so I have no idea what's in their history - which is why I'm hatching them right now, to see what comes of the pairs I have. Out of my second pair, so far I've got three chicks with a signature mark that isn't a trait I've seen on any of the button quail breeder pages, and two that have colours I haven't seen anywhere either. They look like black and yellow five stripe gophers with white wingtips. They're only a day old, so I'm waiting to see what colour the feathers come in.

    -Spooky

    I was able to see those better thank you!!! [​IMG] I agree hybrids are interesting but only when wanted/expected he he!

    As for your buttons have you joined ButtonQuailsUSA on yahoos groups yet? If you haven't I deffinatly reccomend it, bunch of nice people on there, breeders who selectively breed and others who colony breed. Theres several breeders on there who have been breeding for over 30 years. Very nice and informative bunch in there. They get in real thoughtful debates (nice ones) about what they believe goes into this or that genetically. They could help you ID your Button colors you have (and if they're new they'd help you guess what colors went into them what they may be this or that of). They've really helped me learn a lot about my buttons. However, I'm getting out of my buttons for now, and focusing on my coturnix (and silkies/cochins and orphs im getting soon and in the spring).

    The wing tips sound pied to me, but the body color with strips could be any color depending on genetics [​IMG]. I was stunned when my wild pair produced a cinnamon, but i soon learned that cinnamon is recessive sort of dillute of a wild color so it made sense. I think that's why buttons fluster me, as since most colony breed it takes away the expetant-ness of what the resulting offsprings colors may be because of all the hidden colors...I planned to selectively breed my buttons and do pedigrees on them (plan on doing pedigrees on all my other birds still though) and hopefully eventually by pedigrees be able to pick and atleast assume what colors their offspring may be off of the pedigrees.

    I'm keeping my wild pied hen as a pet, and i know i'll eventually order hatching eggs again from friends and get back into them again but for now it's just focusing on my first love Coturnix [​IMG] [​IMG]

    I understand what you're saying about you not being the one who made the mutation of red, however if you perfect the markings atleast the markings would be yours to get credit from [​IMG]
     

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