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Respiratory Infections vs corzya?

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by peckpeck, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. peckpeck

    peckpeck Out Of The Brooder

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    I got two new chickens, Rhode Island Red hens, full grown and one had a runny nose and sneezing - the smell from the nose was real bad. The other one just had the clear liquid from her nose, but no smell and not piling up with gunk. I did the Duramycin-10 for 24 days - 1/4 teaspoon in gallon of water to all four (includes my rooster and hen I've had for a year). They got better, but not well, so I stopped and then the feed store said I should not follow the directions, but put a teaspoon because they don't drink the whole gallon of water - that is for chicken houses???? So, I just stopped to see where it would go. Then, after five days, they both started getting sicker again. Got the shot Convenia for both of them 9 days ago, got better, but not well.

    Now, I have Tylan50 and I'm wondering if I should do that? The wheezing is not back yet, but the one still coughs (dry, not wet) and the other still has a little runny nose.

    They say Convenia is for 14 days, but that's for dogs and cats that don't poop as much. If they aren't well by now, should I go for the Tylan 50?

    It seemed like a cold/respiratory with the wheezing, but that corzya or whatever it's called someone said had the bad smell. There are not any other symptoms.

    I spent $75 at the vet the first time, she said the only way she could tell what it was is if the hen died bring her back for an autopsy. Went back and paid another $32 for two Convenia shots. Now $15 for plenty of Tylan.

    My two are still doing fine, but it's been since March 17th I've been doing this - since I got them for my birthday.

    QUESTION IS...
    1. Should I wait 14 days for Convenia or do it now (days 9/10) before they start getting worse, because they have not gotten all the way better.
    2. Should I do Tylan50 1/2 cc once a day for 3 days as injection or down the throat and should I just do 2 days since they've been getting so many antibiotics already?
    3. With those flu-like systems can it be corzya (spelling) or because of the wheezing (and it getting better with antibiotics) it is probably just respiratory?
    4. Should I do the same treatments to my two that are well?

    VETS HAVE BEEN NO HELP HERE - please don't tell me to go to the vet - I've been twice. The hens are obviously not dying or they would be dead already. Husband has given me this one last attempt to cure them. THANK YOU SO MUCH!
     
  2. WI FarmChick

    WI FarmChick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I am so sorry for what you are going thru. Some diseases stay around long after you have treated the symptoms and the chicken and you become carriers.
    Links if you don't already have these. Good Luck.
    http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ps044
    http://poultrykeeper.com/poultry-diseases-and-disorders.html



    [FONT=helvetica, sans-serif]I was trying to incubate my eggs to sell the chicks this year. My first set of eggs died after piping, I only hatched one girl. I opened each egg to find out what happened so I could correct this problem. After this first chick survived we had several chicken owners at our farm picking out hens from one coop. After they collected a couple of hens, they came into my hatching room where my one lonely chick was kept so I could write up the paper work and show them the NPIP certification. The whole time this is going on my two week old chick was riding on my shoulder. I spent most of my day with her with me since she hatched. If she wasn't with me she would drive everyone nuts crying for me.[/FONT]
    [FONT=helvetica, sans-serif]I was out of chickens to sell, but my second batch hatched a week later. [​IMG] My baby chick was now four weeks old and thought she was mom to the new chicks. She taught each of them how to eat, scratch, drink and kept them warm at night. Every morning when I opened the lid she would jump on my lap. That's when she sneezed on me[​IMG], about two weeks after buyers had been in the coops and some had held her. I didn't think anything of it that day. The next day, when I got home I opened the lid to see my baby girl. The other chicks now a week old in the brooder were sneezing too. No other problems, just a simple sneeze.[​IMG][/FONT]
    [FONT=helvetica, sans-serif]I called the vet who got me in right away! They did a stool sample which came back negative and a blood test. He told me the white blood cells are slightly elevated and I had [/FONT]
    [FONT=helvetica, sans-serif]Mycoplasma[/FONT][FONT=helvetica, sans-serif]. He gave me Tylan to treat everyone with. I looked up the [/FONT][FONT=helvetica, sans-serif]disease[/FONT][FONT=helvetica, sans-serif] and freaked. [/FONT]
    [FONT=helvetica, sans-serif]After killing all my eggs in the bator and all my chicks[​IMG] I got on here and read a story of a woman who had the same problem. I don't remember who it was or where I found her story but I cried as she asked someone to come out and cull her birds. I cried for her, I cried because of all the people telling her not to cull them,[​IMG] to just treat them. We still have 8 birds to cull, and one more coop to bleach. I don’t want to pass this along to other chicken owners when I go out to buy feed or go groceries shopping. The disease can be spread on my clothing or hair, so I have been taking care of the remaining 8 to cull at night only, before going to bed.[/FONT]
    [FONT=helvetica, sans-serif]I didn't know I had it, none of my other chickens showed signs of it (and still don't), just those chicks. They didn't even show signs when I stressed them out by chasing, chatching and culling half the flock. I didn't know that the people who were coming into the coop could be carriers. I didn’t know that my adults could be the carriers and not show any symptoms. My adults have not been tested for it yet, but will be culled. [/FONT]
    [FONT=helvetica, sans-serif]I am going to start over. I have eggs on order. When those eggs hatch I have to wait two weeks then swab them and send the swabs to MSU. If they pass the Mycoplasma and NPIP testing then I would like to vaccinate them just like I vaccinate my dogs. I have contacted the company who makes the vaccine, but the only way they sell it is in quantities of 10. Each one would treat 2,000 birds and must be used as soon as I mix it. Each of the vials is around $60 which to me is worth it since each of those adult birds were $20, then $91 for NPIP testing, and I paid around $140 to be told the sneezing was a disease. After paying for that vet bill I discovered I could have swabbed my flock and sent the swabs to our vet school (MSU) and saved quite a bit of money.[/FONT]
    [FONT=helvetica, sans-serif]After losing all my chickens to a disease, I discover it is easily spread by people, other chickens, wild birds and passed through the eggs. Most chicken owners don’t even know they have this disease, because the chicken only shows signs when it’s stressed. My only symptom was a couple of sneezes from week old chicks! [/FONT]
    [FONT=helvetica, sans-serif]The hardest part about this disease and most chicken diseases is that a lot of people treat the chickens with antibiotics. When they no longer show any symptoms the flock owner keeps showing, selling and trading from the diseased flock, infecting others.[​IMG] [/FONT]

    [FONT=helvetica, sans-serif]Sometimes being a responsible pet owner is the hardest thing to do. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Edited by Wickischickies - 4/12/12 at 10:21am[/FONT]
     
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  3. froggiesheins

    froggiesheins Overrun With Chickens

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    Corzya IS a respritory infection. Did you isolate the two newbees that you got [ for like 30 days]? I do not know what Convenia is? Can you get needles and syringes at your local feed store? Are you able to give injections yourself? You definetly have a respritory bug going on, I do not have access to my Chicken Medical "stuff"{ I am out of town} so I have to sort of wing it here. Best to research on BYC about repritory infections as to the best antibiotics for it. I just can't remember if CORRID / SULMET / TYLAN50 / BAYTRIL would be the way to go. You can give antibiotics twice a day for 10 days IM with not problems so do not worry about that. It is just choosing the right one. The internet has SO much chicken medical info on respritory diseases...LOL
     
  4. dawg53

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    I agree with you about the vet lol.
    The foul odor is an indicator of coryza which is a respiratory disease as mentioned by Froggiesheins. Personally I'd cull. However, you want to treat so here goes; you can give them the tylan injectable orally 1/2cc once a day for 5 days. You also must treat them in conjunction with sulmet as mentioned in the link by WI Farm Chick's in her post:
    http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ps044
    Scroll down to Infectious Coryza and read about it, treatments as well. Good luck.
     
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  5. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    Never heard of Convenia. If it's for dogs and cats, it's probably not for avian species.

    They may not die, but they will remain carriers if they have Mycoplasmosis, which is very common. Coryza is a respiratory infection that also leaves them carriers, able to infect others even when their symptoms are gone. It may not kill them, but it will be pretty much a continued curse in your flock if you don't cull the birds. Sorry to be the bearer of a harsh reality, but you need to be aware of this if you're keeping chickens who are carriers and you go around the flocks of other people or into the feedstore with germs on your clothes.


    Vets rarely know anything about chickens, but they seem to treat and take your money anyway. We have to learn about this stuff on our own.
     
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  6. peckpeck

    peckpeck Out Of The Brooder

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    Yes, I can give the injections. I have the Tylan 50 but not the Sulmet, if it is Coryza because of the foul smell on their nose discharge. My two are fine and no I did not keep them separated. Do I have to cull?????
     
  7. peckpeck

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    that site says more symptoms than my two have... mine do not have swelling around the face, no discharge from the eyes, no irritated eyelids, no diarrhea, but they are full grown and this may be for chicks? Should I just do the Tylan50 injections? My shots are by ml - how do I translate that into cc's? 1/2 cc for 3 days? My two that are not sick 1/2 cc for 1 day?

    Clinical signs: Swelling around the face, foul smelling, thick, sticky discharge from the nostrils and eyes, labored breathing, and rales (rattles -- an abnormal breathing sound) are common clinical signs. The eyelids are irritated and may stick together. The birds may have diarrhea and growing birds may become stunted (see Table 1)
     
  8. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    ml = cc

    I can't advise you to use Tylan for a bird who isn't ill, but ml is the same as cc.
     
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  9. dawg53

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    Keep in mind there are mild strains and horrible strains of these diseases. They dont necessarily have to have ALL the symptoms described in the link. I was going by YOUR description of the symptoms. Foul odor around the head is a dead giveaway for coryza along with the sneezing and runny nostrils. MG could be a player with your other RIR since there isnt a foul odor around the head area. You read the link provided with the treatments. CC's and ML's are the same thing. Good luck.
     
  10. peckpeck

    peckpeck Out Of The Brooder

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    Thanks. The link doesn't say how much Tylan 50 to give them or how many days. Since they've been on antibiotics and not wheezing again yet, I'm wondering...

    I found one site that said Tylan200 one time and then 48 hours a second time. Then, many of these say for Tylan 50 give 1/2cc to 1/3cc for anywhere from 3 to 7 days. The needles I got are mL, not CC, but you say it's the same thing.

    I'd like to start right away before they start to digress again. Full grown hens, apprx. 2 lbs - clear runny nostrils, coughing (but not wet any longer, but coming back), wheezing is GONE from the Convenia, but coughing is increasing again after 10 days...

    I'll hold off on the ones not showing any signs.

    One suggestion is .3 mL each day for 3 to 5 days just to the TWO that are sick.

    Any feedback would be appreciated. My first time with Chickens and my two are spoiled and healthy and I think that's why they haven't caught it. My two didn't even get the mites all over them - I put D.E. in their feed and that may help, but it's mostly LOVE. So... I sincerely appreciate all the help and I apologize for being so frantic...

    THANK YOU ALL WHO ARE PARTICIPATING SO MUCH!!! More input than I can get from a vet!!!
     

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