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Roundworm found in droppings - how to worm molting chickens

Discussion in 'Predators and Pests' started by Michaels1715, Sep 13, 2016.

  1. Michaels1715

    Michaels1715 Out Of The Brooder

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    I know there's a whole lot of threads about this subject already, but the more I read, the more unsure I become.

    I have eight silkies and 11 mixed breed (sex-links, ameraucana, etc.) chickens. I found a roundworm in a goey pile of poo the other day - I think it was about 1.5" long. Also, I can see (in the sand under their perches) that a few of my girls have very runny poo. I have never wormed my chickens before (some of my hens are over four years old), but I now realize that worming is something I should have been doing – and something that I need to do right away.

    So I read a whole bunch of articles, pages, threads on the subject of worming chickens. I decided to go with the valbazen, but when I went to the feed store, they didn't have that. So instead I bought a small but expensive bottle of liquid goat wormer (safeguard).

    I also have two alpacas, and they share water with my chickens when they're out of their coop (which is all day, every day), so I was wondering if putting the wormer in their water would even work (Although, if absolutely necessary I could keep the chickens locked up in their run & separate from the pacas for a day). Then I also wondered if I could worm the pacas at the same time that way (with safeguard liquid goat wormer in their water) or not.

    However, when reading some more - to determine the correct amounts and the best way to administer the Safeguard to my chickens, I saw that this wormer should not be giving during molt, which many of my girls are going through right now (of course).

    I also saw the concern of killing too many worms at once, which could hurt, or even kill, a chicken. Since I actually saw a worm in the droppings, I have to assume that one or more of my chickens has a severe infestation.

    I did see Wazine at the feed store also, but initially decided not to get it, since I had read this thread,

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...nd-wormer-misinformations-graphic-pictures/30

    which highly recommends either Valbazen(albendazole) or Safeguard(fenbendazole) for goats. Since making my purchase, though, I saw this thread

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...nd-piperazine-dosage-for-bantams#post_2525157

    that recommends worming first with the wazine (gentler), and then using something stronger about 10-14 days later. That person said for the second worming they used ivermectin pour-on, but in that first thread - it says (in so many words) that ivermectin is not a good wormer for chickens.

    I'm so unsure of what to do now....

    Thoughts/opinions/advice of what my best course of action is?

    And does anyone know:

    1. Does Valbazen have any issues with chickens that are molting like the safeguard does?
    2. Should elderly hens be treated differently in any way?
    3. Should I go with Wazine first, and then Valbazen in 10 days?
    4. Or should I just use Valbazen now, if "killing to many worms at once" is not typically a concern with Valbazen?
    5. Or do you recommend something else?
    6. If you recommend Valbazen, where the heck do you get it? My feed store didn't have it. I tried. looking at TSC online, and only saw a huge bottle for $400 (UH-UH - I love my chickens dearly but that's just too much). Those of you that use it - where did you buy it??

    Thanks in advance for your help!

    ~Sharon
     
  2. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    I read something that says wormers in the same class as Safeguard should not be used during molt because it can cause stress bars. I'll try to find that link.

    This is why consulting with a vet is a god idea. A vet might prescribe one drug instead of another if the fecal egg count suggested that a sudden die off would risky.

    Your drug options for roundworms while molting are:
    Pyrantel Pamoate
    Ivermectin
    Piperazine (Wazine)
    Hygromycin B (Rooster Booster)

    If you don't care about how the feather *might* look, you could use Safeguard, Valbazen, etc."

    There are many posts that say Valbazen kills worms "slowly", but I asked about this and no one could tell me why, they just said "that's what someone said", so I'm not sure there's any truth to it.

    -Kathy
     
  3. casportpony

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    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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  5. MessyLove

    MessyLove Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Can quails get this worms and should they be wormee
     
  6. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    Quail get the same worms that chickens get. Best to gather up a bunch of fresh quail poop and have it tested for worm eggs.

    -Kathy
     
  7. MessyLove

    MessyLove Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Gee... Can they get worms from eating red worms. Mine are off the ground and ive placed a selfmade dirt box for them
     
  8. MessyLove

    MessyLove Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Where do we get it tested
     
  9. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    Where do you live?

    -Kathy
     
  10. casportpony

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