runny/plugged stinky nostrils thick spit in mouths mouth breathing

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  1. newbiechickenowner

    newbiechickenowner Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Ok....so, the sneezing is not as prevalent in the new flock of mixed chickens, but, several had plugged nostrils I noticed today and if I picked/wiped it out, it was STINKY! and then runny behind that. A couple were breathing (comfortably) through their mouths, but I noticed that they had thick spit and the rooster actually drooled when I was holding him....what is going ON????? I thought the worms were affecting them and a couple had a "cold", but, they are well on their way with the roundworm treatment and the sneezing has calmed down for the ones that were doing it, but now I am finding more symptoms in other birds. Also, can too much raw pumpkins be bad for chickens? They love it and have had LOTS of it. Also, I have gotten lots of people saying worm, worm, worm, and worm for this and that, does anyone out there (PLEASE ANSWER ABOVE FIRST) have a worming schedule that gets ALL TYPES of Worms??? If I wormed for all the things that people are saying, I will be worming every week and never have a good egg....So confused.
    So, first....are they sick? what is the best way to treat the viral infection (reasonable way) and, worming regimens that get all worms....
    Thanks so much!
     
  2. HennyPennies2007

    HennyPennies2007 Chillin' With My Peeps

    Jan 26, 2008
    Quote:Virul infections can't be treated...virus must run it's course....Tylan 50 injectable for sinus type things...LA-200 (both available at feed stores)for lungy things has worked for me....Don't even bother with that jjunk in the foil packages for their water...Terramycin etc...you are just wasting time...for larger flocks I use LS-50 in the water...pricey, but works well for me for sniffley type stuff. I Googled it and got it online where i could get it cheapest...I think I got mine at American Livestock. Get extra to have on hand.

    This link worked for me...sounds like CRD or MG. You will never get rid of it, even if they recover they will always be carriers and might relapse during times of stress and weather changes. This link helped me alot...

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2858587

    I advocate worming only because I thought it was unecessary and nearly lost my whole flock. If you have recently accuired these chicckens...you never know what circumstances they have been kept under. I would definately worm. I use Eprinex pour on for cattle...it goes on the back of their necks between the wings. I would repeat in 30 days to be sure to get the new ones that will bloom out. There is no withdrawal period with this product for eggs, so you are good to go there. These are just the things that have worked well for me....

    Good luck,
    Hennies
     
  3. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    Are they sick? Absolutely! That could be Coryza, from the nasty smell you describe. Obviously, I can't know for sure. Look up the other symptoms and see if it fits. Worming will be an unnecessary burden on them right now. Coryza, if it is that, will make them carriers (at least any that have the symptoms) and the only way to get it out of your flock would be to cull all with symptoms. (Please, no hate mail! [​IMG] ) gumpsgirl had this issue from bringing in one lone infected chick and had to cull a great number of those birds and keep an eye out for others to show symptoms for up to a year. The only way to know for sure is to have them do a necropsy.

    Here is the link: https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=69444
     
  4. newbiechickenowner

    newbiechickenowner Chillin' With My Peeps

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    hennie pennie...what is CRD or MG?
    And, now I can't see the name of the second poster, but what is Coryza? I would hate to "cull" them out and not have it be for the right thing. We have no chicken docs around here or I would just have one come out....wish we did. would make it a lot easier. They were raised in a barn for the past 4 months from day old shipped chicks. They were in old giant stalls converted in a horse barn. They were in several different stalls on one side (dirt floors) and the layers were all on the other side of the barn. They seemed well cared for, but don't know what all they had or if they were vaccinated prior to being shipped to them. I got them at 3 or 4 months of age.
     
  5. ThePamperedPullet

    ThePamperedPullet Chillin' With My Peeps

    Welcome to BYC and the joy of raising chickens.
    As for your sickies. A fowl stench about the head is usually a good sign of Coryza. It is a nasty disease that spreads quite quickly. You first want to seperate all your sickies to a seperate area away from the others. I would get them on a regimen of Tylan 50 ASAP. It is an injectable that is best done in the breast muscle. Do this for 3 days and they generally show signs of getting better within 24 hours.

    As for worming, there are many different thoughts out there. What we use here is for birds who have never been wormed before or if it is unknown as to when they were wormed last we give them Wazine 17% in their water for 1 day. Don't eat the eggs for ten days. Some people eat the eggs and just figure they get wormed at the same time as their birds. After the ten days you can eat the eggs. We then give them the second worming at 21 days after the first but this time with a broad spectrum wormer. We us Ivermectin 5% pour on. For a large bird it is 6 drops placed on the skin at the base of the neck. We then do not eat the eggs for another ten days. After this the birds only need to be wormed once a year with Ivermectin. We try to do the worming in the fall when most are molting and not laying anyway so then it doesn't effect egg production too much. Plus we do half our flock at a time. Breeders are done first in their pens and when they are all done then we will do the free rangers.
     
  6. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    INFECTIOUS CORYZA

    By Dr. L. Dwight Schwartz, D.V.M.

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    DEFINITION: Infectious Coryza (IC) is an infectious contagious respiratory bacterial disease of several avian species. The disease is acute to subacute at onset but progresses to a chronic state as the disease works through the flock. Common names for the disease are roup, cold and Coryza. Coryza is characterized by nasal discharge, facial swelling, sneezing, labored breathing and fetid odor of the exudates. Coryza is a disease of the upper respiratory tract--trachea, sinuses and air passages of the head. Coryza occurs worldwide. In the United States, it is predominately found in small noncommercial, menagerie, or hobby type flocks. The causative agent is Hemophilus paragallinarum, a polar staining, pleomorphic, non-motile, gram negative rod that was first described in 1920. There are three antigenic types (A, B, and C) which all share certain antigens. H. paragallinarum requires "V" factor, a special growth factor in the media to grow. While chickens are the primary host of Coryza, pheasants, guinea fowl and turkeys are also susceptible. It is assumed that other gamebird species will become infected if commingle on a regular basis with chronically infected gamebirds or poultry flocks. Age-wise, Coryza is a disease of juvenile and mature birds or birds 14 weeks of age or older. The incubation period is 1 to 3 days and the course of the disease is 4 to 12 weeks.

    TRANSMISSION AND CLINICAL SIGNS:

    Chronically ill or inapparent healthy carrier birds are the reservoir of infection. The source of the disease is often the addition of carrier birds to the flock. Recovered birds remain carriers and shedders for life. Transmission occurs by direct bird to bird contact, inhalation of infectious aerosols coughed into the air, or through ingestion of contaminated feed and water. The organism can be transferred on contaminated clothing, equipment and fomites. Incubation is 1
    to 3 days with duration of the disease 14 days in the infected individual bird. The slow spread extends the period of sick birds within the flock to several weeks. The presence of other respiratory infections as mycoplasma will increase the duration and severity of illness of sick birds and impact on flock growth and production. Once a flock has been infected, it is a constant threat to other clean flocks. The clinical signs are those of an upper respiratory disease--sneezing, lacrimation, swollen face, and nasal exudates. The nasal exudates are thick clear sticky in texture with a fetid or rotten odor. Sick birds become lethargic, will sit humped, have ruffled feathers, go off feed and water and have swollen faces. Some birds also have sinusitis. The facial swelling is primarily around the eye and not always involving the infra-orbital sinus. Mortality can be as high as 50 percent but usually no more than 20 percent. The course and mortality of the disease correlate with the virulence of the pathogen, treatment, and concomitant infections.

    LESIONS AND DIAGNOSIS:

    In the acute stage, the principal lesions are swollen face, watery eyes, rhinitis, nasal exudates that become crusty on the beak around nostrils and cheesy in nostrils and sinuses. Eyelids stick together by the exudate or an accumulation of cheesy exudate in the conjunctival sac. Early exudates are copious, grayish-yellowish, thick and sticky. Other lesions include tracheitis, bronchitis and on occasion air sacculitis. The exudates in the trachea produce raffling (rales). A presumptive diagnosis can be rendered on the flock history, progress of the disease and the lesions. When present, the fetid odors of nasal exudates are diagnostic. Confirmation requires laboratory diagnostic work up with isolation and identification of the organism. The pathogen has special growth media requirement; therefore, the bacteriology laboratory must be alerted to the diagnostic suspicion of infectious Coryza (H. paragallinarum). The organism can be demonstrated in a gram-stained smear of the nasal exudates. Cultures should be made from nostrils, eye, cleft and trachea plus lung or air sacs if lesions are present. Flock treatment should be started based on presumptive diagnosis.

    TREATMENT AND CONTROL:

    Flock medication with a sulfonamide or antibiotic is recommended. Various sulfonamides -- sulfadimethoxine (SDM), sulfaqumnline (SQ), sulfamet hazine (sulmet) are all effective; however, sulfadimethoxine is the safest and the one prescribed as treatment of choice. SQ and Sulmet are more toxic and require intermittent administration. Therapy in the drinking water will give more immediate response and reduce the severity of the disease. Feed administration of the sulfa or antibiotic does extend the period of treatment for better control. A combination treatment approach is advisable. Administer medication in the drinking water until medicated feed can be provided. Antibiotics that are beneficial include tetracycline, erythromycin, spectihomycin and tylosin. All are safe and approved for use in poultry. Control cannot be accomplished with drugs alone. Management is equally important. A bacterin is available that can be used in a control or eradication program. The bacterin requires multiple injections to be effective which makes it costly and cumbersome for commercial flocks. Control requires attention to flock sanitation, biosecurity, preventive medication, clean and sanitary premises, and disease-free replacements.

    PREVENTION:

    Prevention requires eradication of the disease (depopulation if necessary), good husbandry, strict biosecurity, all in-all out program, raise own breeder replacement, and do not mix ages or species. Most outbreaks occur as a result of mixing flocks. If you have an outbreak, segregate birds by age, etc., properly dispose of dead birds, medicate to stop the spread of the disease and initiate eradication procedures. Do not save recovered birds for breeder replacements. Premises should be vacant for 30 to 60 days after cleaning and disinfecting before repopulating or onset of the new season. Breeders should be replaced from a Coryza-clean source.
     
  7. newbiechickenowner

    newbiechickenowner Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you all for the help. We did end up doing two rounds of the duramycin 10 yellow powder. We added a pinch of jello, per manufacturer, each time we made it. Did it for five days. fresh each day, then took a week off and then did another course. Worked wonders for the crew! thanks for all the info!
     

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