Serama crossed with Japanese Bantam

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by Haney3, Apr 29, 2009.

  1. Haney3

    Haney3 Out Of The Brooder

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    If you crossed the two would you have a quality bird or just a mutt:D
     
  2. BluegrassSeramas

    BluegrassSeramas Serama Savvy

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    A mutt since the breeds have different standards.
     
  3. pascopol

    pascopol Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:You just opened a can of worms.

    Most of "quality" or "show quality" or "Malaysian" Seramas in US are mixed with either Japs, or OEG's.

    Lot of scams going with Seramas that why leading poultry breeders in US will not touch this Landrace with 20 foot pole.
     
  4. BluegrassSeramas

    BluegrassSeramas Serama Savvy

    Aug 25, 2008
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    I raise them (Seramas--in quality, show quality in some if Im lucky that year, and they are from Malaysia originally..do I call them Malaysian, although I prefer American Seramas ) .............and I have never crossed them with another breed. My birds are size and type up to the SCNA Serama standard. Im in a lot of groups with EDUCATED serious Serama breeders and none of them cross breed.

    I HAVE seen people that get Serama thinking they will make a ton of money and they dont do the research, and get junk or cross bred breeders and breed more junk. They dont even know what Seramas are suppose to look like. I dont want to name names, as I think some of the "breeders" are on here, but I know of some sites where you can see these crosses.

    The main thing is...do your research and educate yourself on breeds and breed types, and then you will be able to see a huge difference.

    If you want real Serama, know what you are looking for in a great bird and ask for pictures, and weights. Ask the breeder for good and bad qualities of each bird.

    DO be careful of birds that are "show quality"...to me that means you can buy it and put it in a Show. Some people say that if the bird comes from stock that produced a show bird. Other people might just say that. Do your research and know what you are looking for in a SQ bird, and get it from a reputable breeder. [​IMG]
     
  5. Haney3

    Haney3 Out Of The Brooder

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    Thank you, I was asking for a friend. He had heard that serama had Japanese Bantams in thier back ground.
     
  6. shelleyd2008

    shelleyd2008 the bird is the word

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    Quote:You just opened a can of worms.

    Most of "quality" or "show quality" or "Malaysian" Seramas in US are mixed with either Japs, or OEG's.

    Lot of scams going with Seramas that why leading poultry breeders in US will not touch this Landrace with 20 foot pole.

    I have wondered that, since most seramas I have seen look either like japanese or OEGB.
     
  7. Ah Lian

    Ah Lian Out Of The Brooder

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    Interesting. I am actually from Malaysia and just got back from a visit home. While I was there, there was a local newspaper article about Serama breeding since it is taking off as a hobby. There are lots of Serama chicken shows etc. now. In any case, according to the article the Japanese Bantam actually began as Serama stock which went from Indonesia to Japan a couple of centuries ago, where the breed was further refined. Some Japanese bantams have been brought back over the years to breed with local Serama as well. However, the pictures of the Serama I saw in Malaysia also look a great deal like our wild jungle fowl which you can occasionally see in the jungle/undergrowth or flying across the road. The wild birds are a bit bigger although I have seen them with the same cute teapot shape and short legs. We also have a second kind of wild chicken which is much bigger and has very long legs and neck. I suspect this must be the origin of the fighting game cocks that are also found in Thailand.
     
  8. BoiseBubba

    BoiseBubba Serama Psycho

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    OK, just for the record, all my Seramas originated from Jerry S's line, and were bred by reputable local breeders, whose birds come directly from JS!
     
  9. BluegrassSeramas

    BluegrassSeramas Serama Savvy

    Aug 25, 2008
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    [​IMG] Ah Lian

    Very interesting! What kinds of birds to you raise (or look forward to raising?) [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  10. Ah Lian

    Ah Lian Out Of The Brooder

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    Thank you for your welcome! When I was a child I had a pair of pet bantam chickens and both my grandmothers and my parents have at various times raised a few chickens for meat and eggs in their backyards. The aroma and taste of home-raised chicken is something I cannot forget. When I moved to the US, I had no idea that people could keep chickens just as they can in Asia where it used to be fairly common for even tiny backyards/courtyards to have a chicken coop or two (but not so much in the cities any more). Since I stumbled upon this forum I have started to seriously think about whether I can keep a few chickens myself here in suburbia.

    I have a soft spot for bantams and that is what I am considering getting although maybe I will just try EEs (coloured eggs sound exciting to me!) During my recent visit home, my father told me of a hobbyist who had bred literally hundreds of bantams and had them running loose on fenced ground. We took a long drive out of the city to find him. Unfortunately when we got there there were no chickens. He said he had culled all of them during the last bird flu scare. He was very sad about having done that and said he was thinking about raising them again.

    I did read that currently in Malaysia there is quite a vogue for refining the Serama breed and some take it very seriously indeed. I saw pictures of the prize winning birds at a local contest and although I am not a chicken expert by any means they looked very cute to me with a lovely profile. People say they are very friendly. Some of them are extremely tiny. Much smaller than I recall from my childhood and perhaps that is because of the breed refinements that are going on. The Serama craze has even hit people in Singapore and Thailand as well. If you are interested you may want to take a trip sometime. The local food is great too [​IMG]
     

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