silkie genetics question.

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by chickenmadnessainmind, Jun 23, 2011.

  1. chickenmadnessainmind

    chickenmadnessainmind Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I have just incubated a few silkie eggs. (all from one pair)
    The rooster was a buff bearded silkie and the hen was a grey/blue bearded silkie!
    out of all the eggs i incubated the eight chicks that hatched were the same as the hen!

    Just wondered why was this and also if i was to breed a buff roo for the chicks i have hatched would there offspring still be grey or would it be 50/50? Just wondered?.
     
  2. chickendales

    chickendales Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:the chick well probly have buff leakage when there older
     
  3. chickenmadnessainmind

    chickenmadnessainmind Chillin' With My Peeps

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    How many strains of breeding back to a buff roo to get buff offspring?
    Thanks for your reply.
     
  4. Sonoran Silkies

    Sonoran Silkies Flock Mistress

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    Buff is is a complicated colour, and there is more than one recipe for building buff. From experience, breeding a buff to a blue will give some buffs, some blues and some that are quite mixed. Depending on the E-alleles of each parent there are multiple combinations that you could get; presence of melanizers also makes a difference. One of George's Grand Champions was a blue pullet from a buff hen and a blue cock. From htat same pairing he also had buffs and one or two who had areas of both colours.

    The wheaten E-allele will dominate asiatic partridge E-allele, unless melanizers are present, in which case asiatic partridge will dominate. Extended black will trump them all, and give black or blue offspring, but there may be leakage.
     
  5. chickendales

    chickendales Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:thank u sonoran ur post are always so help fu;l
     
  6. chickenmadnessainmind

    chickenmadnessainmind Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Thank you so much for your reply! very clear to understand.
    I think it is so interesting that breeding just for colour can be quiet complex as compaired to breeding for type, such as feathered feet...

    Would breeding white to red give buff over gernerations of breeding?
    And what would the easiest way of breeding buff into a blue strain?
    Thanks again..
     
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  7. Sonoran Silkies

    Sonoran Silkies Flock Mistress

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    Quote:Thank you so much for your reply! very clear to understand.
    I think it is so interesting that breeding just for colour can be quiet complex as compaired to breeding for type, such as feathered feet...

    Would breeding white to red give buff over gernerations of breeding?
    And what would the easiest way of breeding buff into a blue strain?
    Thanks again..

    First, type does not include foot feathering or its lack; type is the shape of the bird's body. RIR are shaped like a brick; modern games are shaped sort of like a heart, cochins are shaped like a ball, etc. Some breeds are very vertical, others very horizontal, others a balance between those; some are fairly heavy set, ohers quite dainty.

    Next, white is an OFF switch, not a diluter. Recessive white prevents the creation of pigment; dominant white prevents pigment from entering the feathers. Dilution genes alter the chemical composition of the pigment (usually by oxidizing the pigment) and/or by limiting the amount of pigment that enters the feather.

    To dilute red to buff, you need to breed in genes that dilute gold pigment: Dilute, champagne blonde, silver, lavender, etc.
     
  8. Teresaann24

    Teresaann24 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Honestly if you want nice buffs it is best to buy nice buff chicks or started birds or eggs.
     
  9. chickenmadnessainmind

    chickenmadnessainmind Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thanks again.
    I think your right Tereesaann24
    I just thought it might be easier crossing over colours to get 50/50
    I heard somewhere that the white holds in some colours. and when you breed white to other colours you will get white and other colours.
     
  10. hoppy

    hoppy I'm not all fluff

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    Quote:I can't remember who said this but it is so right. think of white as a white wash paint, you can't see what is under it.
     

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