SIZZLES are NOT frizzled Silkies!

Discussion in 'What Breed Or Gender is This?' started by sarahssizzles, Jan 17, 2010.

  1. sarahssizzles

    sarahssizzles Out Of The Brooder

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    Greetings All;

    I keep coming across the question "what are SIZZLES?" and too often I hear the response “they are a frizzled Silkie” A frizzled Silkie is just that, a frizzled Silkie. It may well have come from a Sizzle breeding but, it is NOT a SIZZLE!
    There is an excellent pic of the two different birds at this topic site https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=101486&p=1

    Frizzle
    is a feather type & can be found in most breeds, including Silkies. SIZZLE is a developing breed. The standard we are working with at this time are basically the Silkie standard BUT with a change in feather type to barbed frizzled and as a variety, barbed smooth. That means, 5 toes, blue skin, crests, walnut or pea comb, turquoise ear lobe, compact body type, etc. BUT NOT SILKIE FEATHERS! We are still working out the fine points & will eventually write our own standard to include the changes we desire.
    SIZZLES are, in the original breeding, a cross of a Frizzled Cochin to a Silkie (matters not which parent was which) The chicks produced are referred to as F1 ie: first generation. . The cross produces 4 types of feathers - smooth regular, frizzled reg, silkie reg & frizzled silkie (aka; Frilkie) You can breed opposites back to each other ie; smooth silkie to frizzled reg, frizzled silkie to smooth reg..etc. to produce the desired frizzled & smooth SIZZLES. In the earlier generations it is not uncommon to see only 25% with frizzled feathers & that doesn’t take into account getting the proper crests, toes, color or combs. F1 do NOT a breed make. That takes time & dedication.

    The problem with breeding a frizzle feathered bird to a frizzle feathered bird (no matter what breed)is the double frizzle gene gives you what is called a “frazzle”. This produces feathers that are soft, very curly and unfortunately usually brittle & tend to break off, leaving a bald bird. It is also known to, in a higher %, come with internal irregularities that can shorten the life span. So, that said, the general rule of thumb is to breed a frizzled coat to a smooth coat, preferable one with frizzle genetics. We (folks on the Sizzle list) have decided to include smooth feathered sizzles as a variety of SIZZLES for that very reason.
    Following that rule of thumb, your next choice is to check you traits & breed for what you want ie; a light pigmented bird to a dark, straight comb to walnut, 4 toes to 5 etc. Choose your best stock & breed to reduce faults & increase desired results. It took me 5 generations to weed out 4 toed birds in favor of 5 toes & I'm still getting some straight combs and some light pigmentation but, ..it's a process and a very challenging & interesting one at that!

    For the sake of simplicity we have taken to calling them Sizzle (with a capital S) for frizzled Sizzles & sizzle (with a lower case s) for smooth sizzles.

    For 5 years I have been breeding pretty much only back into my own lines, since I started out with a sizable gene pool. I’ve been hatching over 200 chicks per year. My F5 generation produced about 30-35% birds that I considered progressed far enough to keep & I still have my share of faults to breed out. In the earlier generations I was seeing only about 10 – 20%. I'm taking a clue from some of the other successful breeders this year & breeding back to Silkie roos to strengthen my characteristics. The challenge there is then I increase the chance of getting Silkie feathers, which we DON'T want but, I feel my lines are fairly strong at this point & want the infusion of traits that I still need to improve my breeding.

    I am by no means an expert, either on chickens or on genetics but, I have some practical experience & because of the great people on the Sizzle list, I’ve learned lots. I have tried to keep track of the information on BYC about Sizzles & realized that there is a lot of confusions so I hope by sharing some basic information it will help others. To answer some of the questions I’ve been asked, I would avoid breeding back to Cochins if at all possible as you really only breed to them for the frizzled feathers & don't want the other traits. If you don't have a smooth sizzle roo to breed your frizzled Sizzle girls back to, try a Silkie roo. You'll get a higher % of silkie coats but, most of them will have the SIZZLE genes & you can breed them back to a barbed coated Sizzle next year.

    I hope this helps clarify some of the general questions out there. There is a lot more in depth information available that just takes some asking & digging to get to. If I can be of any assistance in that quest well, it helps me learn too!

    Best of Luck!
    SarahsSizzles
     
  2. Quail_Antwerp

    Quail_Antwerp [IMG]emojione/assets/png/2665.png?v=2.2.7[/IMG]Mrs

    Aug 16, 2008
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    Thank you for this post! My 10 year old DD is in love with Sizzles, and is hoping to build her own flock of them. This is some great information for us to help her get started with her pet project.

    Thank you!
     
  3. sarahssizzles

    sarahssizzles Out Of The Brooder

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    Wonderful! Developing a new breed is a phenominal experiance for a youngster. It's a great science, 4H or scout project too!

    There is a list for Sizzle fanciers at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sizzles/ and plese feel free to ask any questions of the list or me you want. There are also folks who have birds & eggs for sale if you just want to jump start your program.

    Best of Luck!
    Sarah
     
  4. Minniechickmama

    Minniechickmama Senora Pollo Loco

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    If I try making any more sense of this, I will be frazzled. Good luck with getting this breed going, but I think because of the complexity of it, I will leave it to those of you who are already knee deep. Thanks for the information though so that I can attempt to understand.
     

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