So we're supposed to report "fishy" statements about healthcare reform

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  1. Eggs4Sale

    Eggs4Sale Songster

    Jun 29, 2009
    I cut and pasted the following from Texas Sen. John Cornyn's website. Google him and you can see it yourself.
    Tell me what you think.



    Sen. Cornyn Sends Letter To President Obama About "Fishy" Activities Program
    Sends letter to President Obama expressing grave concern over new White House program to monitor speech of American citizens’ with opposing political views

    Wednesday, August 5, 2009

    In a letter to President Obama, U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, expressed serious concern about the White House's new program requesting Americans to forward email chains and other communications opposing the President's health care policies. Sen. Cornyn is seeking assurances that the program is being carried out in a manner consistent with the First Amendment and America's tradition of free speech and public discourse.

    Sen. Cornyn's letter also inquires about the collection of names, email addresses, IP addresses, and private speech of U.S. citizens that will be reported, which raises the specter of a data collection program.

    "I am not aware of any precedent for a President asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed ‘fishy' or otherwise inimical to the White House's political interests," Sen. Cornyn wrote. "You should not be surprised that these actions taken by your White House staff raise the specter of a data collection program. As Congress debates health care reform and other critical policy matters, citizen engagement must not be chilled by fear of government monitoring the exercise of free speech rights."

    --The full text of Sen. Cornyn's letter is below--

    Dear President Obama,

    I write to express my concern about a new White House program to monitor American citizens' speech opposing your health care policies, and to seek your assurances that this program is being carried out in a manner consistent with the First Amendment and America's tradition of free speech and public discourse.

    Yesterday, in an official White House release entitled "Facts are Stubborn Things," the White House Director of New Media, Macon Phillips, asserted that there was "a lot of disinformation out there," and encouraged citizens to report "fishy" speech opposing your health care policies to the White House. Phillips specifically targeted private, unpublished, even casual speech, writing that "rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation." Phillips wrote "If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

    I am not aware of any precedent for a President asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed "fishy" or otherwise inimical to the White House's political interests.

    By requesting that citizens send "fishy" emails to the White House, it is inevitable that the names, email addresses, IP addresses, and private speech of U.S. citizens will be reported to the White House. You should not be surprised that these actions taken by your White House staff raise the specter of a data collection program. As Congress debates health care reform and other critical policy matters, citizen engagement must not be chilled by fear of government monitoring the exercise of free speech rights.

    I can only imagine the level of justifiable outrage had your predecessor asked Americans to forward emails critical of his policies to the White House. I suspect that you would have been leading the charge in condemning such a program-and I would have been at your side denouncing such heavy-handed government action.

    So I urge you to cease this program immediately. At the very least, I request that you detail to Congress and the public the protocols that your White House is following to purge the names, email addresses, IP addresses, and identities of citizens who are reported to have engaged in "fishy" speech. And I respectfully request an answer to the following:

    * How do you intend to use the names, email addresses, IP addresses, and identities of citizens who are reported to have engaged in "fishy" speech?
    * How do you intend to notify citizens who have been reported for "fishy" speech?
    * What action do you intend to take against citizens who have been reported for engaging in "fishy" speech?
    * Do your own past statements qualify as "disinformation"? For example, is it "disinformation" to note that in 2003 you said:"I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care plan"?

    I look forward to your prompt response.

    Sincerely,

    JOHN CORNYN

    United States Senator

    Sen. Cornyn serves on the Finance, Judiciary, Agriculture and Budget Committees. He serves as the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee's Immigration, Refugees and Border Security subcommittee. He served previously as Texas Attorney General, Texas Supreme Court Justice, and Bexar County District Judge.
     
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  2. Eggs4Sale

    Eggs4Sale Songster

    Jun 29, 2009
    From the white house blog:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/

    For the record, the President has consistently said that if you like your insurance plan, your doctor, or both, you will be able to keep them. He has even proposed eight consumer protections relating specifically to the health insurance industry.

    There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.
     
  3. Cetawin

    Cetawin Chicken Beader

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    [​IMG] love it! [​IMG]

    I am not fond of the great state of Texas and hate driving through it but that man would have my vote. [​IMG]
     
  4. Blue Skys

    Blue Skys Hi Mom!!

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    I voted for him! [​IMG]

    (Mr. Cornyn, not Obama [​IMG] )
     
  5. Cetawin

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    Quote:Uh huh except for veterans, VA and Medicare which is a HUGE number of people who have earned those benefits. I do not care who you are...President or even the Pope...do not mess with my First Amendment Rights because frankly it is none of his flipping business what I say about him or his policies...not that I would not tell him to his face, but it my choice and right to say what I think about his policies, suit, haircut, or tie and he can stuff it along with Congress if he does not like it.
     
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  6. Eggs4Sale

    Eggs4Sale Songster

    Jun 29, 2009
    He said, in 2003,

    "Universal healthcare, a single-payer healthcare coverage, universal healthcare coverage. That's what I'd like to see, but as all of you know, we may not get there immediately because, first, we got to take back the White House and we got to take back the Senate and we got to take back the.."

    I don't understand how I'm taking that incorrectly. I don't understand why this is "MIS-INFORMATION" when there are a bazillion news organizations that have quoted this for YEARS, with nary a peep from him to indicate otherwise. He told us way back then what his goals are. We assumed he was exaggerating???

    Either way, asking people to report "fishy" e-mails, comments, or whatnot to the GOVERNMENT????
    WHAT DOES IT TAKE???????
     
  7. Windy Ridge

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    Uh huh except for veterans, VA and Medicare which is a HUGE number of people who have earned those benefits.

    Those are all socialized, government run health care programs.

    I think you may be missing the point if you think the White House is trying to tell people what they can say and what they can't. You can say whatever you like. of course. However, I think--would hope--that people on all sides of the issue are making truthful statements to put forth their cases rather than disingenuous arguments. Both sides (in any argument, whether it's political or with your spouse) should be truthful. If you're operating without the truth, you may not make the best decision, on both sides.

    I always like to go to factcheck.org .​
     
  8. Beekissed

    Beekissed Free Ranging

    I'm going to flag my best friend's fishy emails and send them to Obamanation....er...sorry.....Obama. Just to see what happens! [​IMG]

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    One step away from communism, isn't it? [​IMG]
     
  9. Cetawin

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    Quote:Those are all socialized, government run health care programs.

    I think you may be missing the point if you think the White House is trying to tell people what they can say and what they can't. You can say whatever you like. of course. However, I think--would hope--that people on all sides of the issue are making truthful statements to put forth their cases rather than disingenuous arguments. Both sides (in any argument, whether it's political or with your spouse) should be truthful. If you're operating without the truth, you may not make the best decision, on both sides.

    I always like to go to factcheck.org .

    We pay for them just like anyone else pays for private health insurance ($460.00 for mine), we pay a separate company for dental coverage ($70 monthly) just like many others do and they are not all government ran. Delta Dental is not government only.

    I did not miss the point...please read my entire post...which the remainder said

    "I do not care who you are...President or even the Pope...do not mess with my First Amendment Rights because frankly it is none of his flipping business what I say about him or his policies...not that I would not tell him to his face, but it my choice and right to say what I think about his policies, suit, haircut, or tie and he can stuff it along with Congress if he does not like it."
     
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  10. redhen

    redhen Kiss My Grits...

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    Why dosent this suprise me? [​IMG]
     
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