So yeah, like the subject says, I know that sounds weird. I rode western pleasure for 4 years and still have been just not at the same caliber. When I first started riding I rode QHs (Western Pleasure) my trainer had shown up and down eastern side of the us showing, she even had some horses go to the world show and win. Any ways, im at the point where I can get on a western horse and ride it, and ride it well. (that's what 4 years does to you ) please don't think im big headed and trying to sound like a trainer, I just have had a lot of experience. Any ways, I stopped riding western pleasure seriously when I first got my first and switched to dressage. Any ways to make a long story short, I went 4 years riding WP on and off again. Now that I have my own horse I have been kinda schooling towards a versatility competition where you ride both western and english. Granted my mare is an irish sport horse and I dont expect to win, but i just want to have fun. Any ways, I have been thinking a lot about how im going to work with Fee for western with out screwing up her training, any ways i figured that out, but it got me thinking. Western pleasure (with QHs, Apps, and Paints) needs an intervention! Like, it's ridiculous, horses on the forehand, they still haven't really gotten away from that 4 beat lope, im not going to lie, its fun to ride to, but it really screws up a horse. My freind has an 18 y.o. horse that was a big name QH barn and clearly had some western training, but she can't collect up and get her legs underneath her to thrust her forward, she's always on the forehand. I don't even call a QH lope a lope, I call it a Broken Lope because that's what it is, if you watch the horse isn't working together, its like in two parts. It also scares me how they get horses to put their heads down, draw reins, curb bits. I think they have a place, but most the time they are used incorrectly. The trainer I used to ride with had this gadget that ran from the girth through the bit and to the back rings on the saddle. Now when you tie horses head down and then expect them to canter it's not going to happen... The horse has to be able to lift it's head and shoulder up so it can collect it's self. <--- Common sense here people!!! I don't understand why people think this is natural. Can't they take some notes from morgan and arab riders who's horses are actually collected and have a real lope!? I think the joging speed is fine but the head carriage needs to come up so the horse can track up, and they need to learn what a collected canter is... because that is what a lope is, a slow canter, which is a collected canter is with collection. I guess I am going to step off my soap box. Oh and here is a link for people who don't know what im talking about.