Someone please help!!!

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by Chelsrose, Jun 12, 2019.

  1. Chelsrose

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    Hello I am not a chicken owner, But my mother in law and father in law own chickens. Theyre not the best chicken owners and are out of town anyways do to a death in the family, But there is no time to wait till theyre back and even then I dont think anything would be done. Their Roosters foot is rotting and its gonna die. I myself do not have any money to take him to the vet and I am trying everything to save this chicken. Hes a big pretty tame and sweet rooster. He had what I thought to be very severe bumblefoot.. When it first started I asked them what theyre gonna do and MIL said she would keep an eye on it. But I didnt go over for and while and when I came back the chicken is in bad shape. So I did research and diagnosed severe bumblefoot. But way worse then any picture I've seen on the internet. Please help me save this rooster. He is so sweet. I feel so bad for him. I just dont know if I have the means... Yesterday I did try to preform a surgery. I feel like I have failed. I cut open the top of the giant absess scab and drained alot of puss and used tweezers to remove a bunch of yellow cheese like clumps. I did keep pouring alot of warm water onto the top scab before cutting. After I pulled out as much that was moveable and would come out. I cleaned out wound again and I wrapped his foot in gauze with tape. I went back today to clean it out and check on him and I was mortified when I removed the gauze its a BIG black hole. Just all black inside and on the outside. It appears to be rotting and it smells terrible!! I then noticed when I looked on the bottom of his foot he has the cheese substance also poking out of the bottom of his foot. Someone please tell me what to do! I am alone in this and no one even cares to help me. I cant even get anyone to hold him long enough to clean or wrap it because theyre"grossed out" and he "stinks" my heart is broke. But im gonna do this alone. I just dont know what to do. I dont want to give up on this chicken. I want him to live 20190611_184037.jpg 20190611_184037.jpg and I am afraid its too late and out of my hands. I do not have pictures of the foot after I lanced and picked the stuff out and it turned black, but I do have pictures before. Im going back first thing in the morning. Can someone tell me please what I can do.. I do not have injectable antibiotics. I just had a baby and I dont have the money to buy anything im still on maternity leave and I'm so sad. I feel helpless. I do have childrens oral penicillin though. Can I give this to the chicken?
     

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  2. AmyJane725

    AmyJane725 Crowing

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    So sorry you're having to deal with this. It's so good of you to try to help your negligent in-laws' bird.

    If you see more of the cheese stuff I'd do a second surgery. All of that pus needs to be removed. I'd wash the foot with warm water and a mild soap (or make up some saline solution and use that to flush it) fill the big black hole with triple antibiotic ointment or neosporin, then bandage up the foot. I'd take him home with you if it was me. Do you have a dog crate or anything he could sleep in?

    And yes, chickens can have penicillin. I don't know what the dosage is though.

    @Wyorp Rock @Texas Kiki @casportpony @Eggcessive @dawg53
     
  3. Chelsrose

    Chelsrose In the Brooder

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    Thank you so much for replying. I was scared no one was gonna reply. My mom is gonna take me into town tomorrow and I'm gonna try to buy a few things. I live out in the country and I'm only by like 2 stores, a dollar store and a grocery store. Any suggestions on what I should buy? I did fill the black hole today with triple antibiotic ointment, I am going to dig through the bottom of his foot tomorrow where I seen the yellow stuff coming out. But the top of the foot that I already did, Its all black... Why is it like that? And what do I do with it? Thank you to anyone that can give me answers. I been thinking about taking him home. I do have a newborn baby and I was worried, I read somewhere that it can be contagious?? I have a heated basement, I might be able to find a cage as well.
     
  4. Henriettamom919

    Henriettamom919 Crowing

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    I agree with @AmyJane725 : try to keep emptying it out, flush with betadine or sterile water (water you've boiled and cooled) and pack with over the counter triple antibiotic ointment WITHOUT the pain relieving ingredient (it's toxic to chickens).

    I'm not sure about the penicillin dosage but I'll check. Worst case scenario, try calling around to animal shelters and see if you can surrender him to them. I mean this as a last resort- better he get the care and surgery he needs or humanely euthanized if nothing can be done.

    You're awesome and your in laws suck. :hugs
     
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    Henriettamom919 Crowing

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    I also want you to know you're doing everything in YOUR power but spreading black tissue means necrosis- it's not hopeless but it's not good, know what I mean? Hang in there!
     
  6. AmyJane725

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    You're welcome. A lot of people on this site are morning people. I'm a night owl, so I aspire to be able to help people at nighttime when the others are asleep. I'm nowhere near their level of skill yet, but I'm really trying.

    Bumblefoot is usually a staph infection, but as long as you wear gloves or wash your hands really well afterwords it should be fine. I wouldn't worry about the baby. It's nothing that's gonna float through the air and make your baby sick. Just don't let the baby touch him and don't touch the baby with dirty hands and you're good. :thumbsup

    If you're going to the store some cheap stuff you could pick up that might help would be some epsom salt and some povidone iodine. You might also want to get some fine tipped scissors or an exacto knife if you don't have them already. Did you use an exacto knife for the surgery you already did?

    Soak the foot in a warm epsom salt bath until the tissue is soft
    Cover entire foot with povidone iodine
    Remove the cheese from the other part of the foot
    Flush the wounds with the povidone iodine
    Check and see if he has any sensation in that black tissue. If it is dead it will need to be removed, otherwise it's just going to rot and cause more infection.
    Fill wounds with neosporin/triple antibiotic ointment and bandage with vetwrap or something similar.

    Put him in a crate or box in a place in your house that is dark and quiet. Give him as much food and water as he wants. Check on the wound daily and do an iodine flush/ointment packing and re-bandage as needed.
     
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    Henriettamom919 Crowing

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    Yes to all of this! What strength is your oral penicillin?
     
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  8. AmyJane725

    AmyJane725 Crowing

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    Oh! And his other foot looks a little suspicious as well. I'd check it for scabs while you're at it. Bumblefoot usually starts on the foot pad, so check the underside first.

    And when you're doing the surgery, don't be afraid to dig around and dislodge the stubborn stuff. Yes, it hurts, but he'll die if you don't do it. So just be as gentle and thorough as possible. Leave no trace of cheese.

    And I'm really sorry nobody will help you. What a bunch of babies. Even your husband won't help? It's his parents fault that this poor rooster is in this situation. If it were my husband I'd tell him to put on his big boy panties and help me.

    Wrap the poor guy in a towel and drape part of it over his head. This will help keep him calm. Maybe pick up an ace bandage and wrap it around the towel to keep it closed.

    I had to do a tiny bit of doctoring on one of my month old chicks foot tonight and I don't know how I would have done it if my mom wasn't there to hold him, much less an entire big rooster. I'm glad he's a good boy at least. It's ten times harder when they're really wild/a bad patient.
     
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  9. Henriettamom919

    Henriettamom919 Crowing

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    I found this- just guess on weight (most roos weight between 3-5 lbs) and honestly, you can't really make him worse at this point. So he'd need around 250 mg by mouth twice a day.

    ETA - get some plain yogurt to help with the probiotics he'll need while taking the penicillin.

     
  10. Chelsrose

    Chelsrose In the Brooder

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    I called the only vet around and they dont deal with "poultry" as if chickens are only a piece of food.. My in laws suck so bad! I was brought to tears today with frustration because I just feel like no one cares about this poor thing. I knew that black was a bad color... If there is a scab on top and on bottom does that mean you have to hollow out the in between? Like will there be a giant hole when its all dug out? Surprisingly enough the chicken still gets around. He's been eating great today actually! He still walks around like nothing is wrong with a limp of course. He lays down sometimes but not for long and I am scared because he has been breathing a little faster when he's laying down. Which I know can mean sepsis. Also if anyone can let me know when I get the right penicillin dosage anyone have any suggestions on giving it to him? Im not scared of him persay but I don't want to try to pry his beak open and get pecked to death. Haha.
     

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