Suggested photo resources

Discussion in 'BYC Website & Forum Feedback & Announcements' started by Direchicken, Aug 6, 2011.

  1. Direchicken

    Direchicken Out Of The Brooder

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    Hello everyone! As relatively new chicken owners my OH and I have been regularly dipping into BYC threads over the past few months as guests. Apart from being a tremendous source of useful information on everything chicken, the friendly atmosphere of BYC is one of the most welcoming I've come across on the internet. So first off, thanks to all who work on and contribute to this site, I'm looking forward to participating!

    As a recent hatcher of eggs destined for a small (and predominantly female) flock, one topic I've been researching dilligently is that of chick sexing. Obviously the feasibility and ease of doing this (non-venting methods apart) varies from breed to breed, but there is a large volume of kindly and potentially useful advice out there, much of it contained in the threads of forums on this site. However, little if any of the written advice is nearly as useful as a photo to illustrate differences between males and females. Many such photos are 'out there', but finding the ones relevant to a particular breed at a particular age can be difficult or impossible. This is partly due to their being scattered across the internet, but in many cases I suspect that the relevant photos do not yet exist. For a while now I've been fantasizing about a site where one could look up a particular breed and scroll through loads of photos of males and females of chicks of different ages, a kind of one-stop shop for people wearing the shoes I've been in for the past few months, trying to figure out if and how they can discriminate between their chicks (or those of a seller) on the basis of gender. As important as photos showing diagnostic features that might prove useful for sexing would be photos illustrating overlap between sexes that renders a particular character set problematic or useless for sexing. I'm convinced that such a resource could reveal new features for sexing some breeds, and suugest ways in which existing sexing criteria can be improved or refined.Given the huge popularity of this site, and especially the preponderance of small-flock owners (it's my impression that the smaller the flock, the more time, attention and photographs will take with their flock), I diffidently suggest that this site would be the perfect place to host such a resource. I realise that it would be very easy to start a new thread on this topic, or indeed to contribute to one of the many existing threads out there. However, such threads are bewilderingly diverse to either search or contribute to, and often have a limited active life. I think a much better means of organising such a resource would be to have a distinct space in the BYC homepage for photos of young males and females of different ages, organised by breed. I hope this doesn't come across as being too cheeky, coming from a newbie to the site like myself. If it does, please put this post down to over-enthusiasm and try to forgive me. It may be that I've completely misjudged the intended scope or function of BYC, or that what I'm suggesting would take far more effort to set up than I think it would. If so, please feel free to take advantage of my ignorance and co-opt me into helping organise this!

    The other idea I had was for a similar photo resource aimed at people considering mixing different breeds - people could just submit photos of any hybrids of known ancestry, which could then be searched on the breed of either (or both) parents.

    It's possible that neither of the above ideas would actually require any extra setting up - maybe all that's needed would be an appeal to all members, iterated every few months, to upload photos of chicks of known breed & sex, or hybrids of known parentage, tag them with the appropriate information, and these could then be searched from the home page? I just don't know enough about how the search engine in this (or any such) website operates to tell if this would be possible.

    That's probably quite enough for a first post! Looking forward to hearing what you have to say, hope it's more [​IMG] than [​IMG]!

    Best wishes,

    Mark

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  2. Frost Homestead

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  3. Direchicken

    Direchicken Out Of The Brooder

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    Thanks for the reply Frosthazard! I had a look at the post you mentioned (I'd seen people refer to it before but never gone there, coz the phenomenon of Easter Eggers never really made it over the Atlantic as far as I can tell) and reckon it is a perfect example of why I think something different than an assortment of threads would be useful. There are loads of useful photographs posted in that thread, to someone interested in sexing an Easter Eggerling, but extracting the information from them could take hours! Lots of the photos are missing either sex or age information, many are posted by people who are asking what the sex of their bird is, and then these are interspersed by people with differing opinions as to whether sex can be discerned (and sometimes what the sex might be)! For a start, I think it would be helpful to be able to have one page with all the breeds in the rainbow named thereon as hyperlinks, such that clicking on the name of a breed would bring you to a page dedicated to that breed. On that page, photos labelled with sex, age and contributor could be sorted and/or filtered according to these categories. Each breed could also have an ongoing comment thread where people could reference photos to support or challenge accepted wisdom and new hypotheses relating to sexing of that breed. A similar format would also work for crossbreeds (instead of a discussion of sexing criteria you could probably have comment threads for people to post their appreciation of the lovely mutts!).
     
  4. Nifty-Chicken

    Nifty-Chicken Administrator Staff Member

    We've attempted to embark on projects that encompass a lot of what you have mentioned, but haven't been able to get everything to work out. If peeps are willing to take the pics, upload them to BYC, create BYC pages with the pics, we'll be glad to help organize them.
     
  5. SunnyDawn

    SunnyDawn Sun Lovin' Lizard

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    Wow this would be a great resource. Nifty is right though, getting folks to dedicate this much time and effort to this type of project might be difficult. I think you are correct that a large part is already out there, in existing threads. The tedious searches, however, might be more difficult than just getting folks that have all these pics already saved to resubmit them to a new page. I'll take the easiest! I have pics of Wheaten Ameraucanas. At about 3 weeks of age the feather color of the male wheaten ameraucana changes color dramatically.

    The female is on the left and the male is on the right...
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    Silver ameraucanas are a little slower to change coloring. Again the female is in the left pic male on the right.
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    I am terrible at sexing chicks until I see these kinds of obvious traits so I would also love to see lots of pics showing the differences between the genders of different breeds. Feather growth, leg size, etc., etc. This would be an awesome resource!
     
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  6. Direchicken

    Direchicken Out Of The Brooder

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    Thanks for your replys Nifty and SunnyDawn! I will try to set up a page as you suggest and populate it with pictures included in previous posts. I assume there's no issues of copyright if I am copying a pic from a BYC thread for inclusion on a BYC page? When I've got the beginnings of a collection put together, and worked out a way to organise them, I'll put out a message (or several) letting people know what I'm doing and inviting them to contribute pics and information. That's if I don't find it horrendously difficult or time-consuming!

    A' best,

    Mark

    P.S. Lovely chicks SunnyDawn, I wish it was possible to find Ameraucanas in Ireland!
     
  7. Direchicken

    Direchicken Out Of The Brooder

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    By the way SunnyDawn, am I right in thinking that the Wheatens in your photos are approx 3 weeks old? And what age are the Silvers? I'd guess maybe 5 weeks, but it'd be good to be able to label the pics with something more precise! Thanks, Mark
     
  8. SunnyDawn

    SunnyDawn Sun Lovin' Lizard

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    Yes the ameraucanas are an american project bird. Don't know that they have them anywhere else though South America has the Quechua chickens that the ameraucanas were bred from. The breed is still being perfected but they are pretty cool birds. [​IMG] And yes, the wheatens were 3 weeks old but the silvers were around 8 weeks in those pics. Ameraucanas are slower to mature than most LF chickens and the silver is smaller than most.
     
  9. SunnyDawn

    SunnyDawn Sun Lovin' Lizard

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    When you do get something up post a link here please. I'm not on the main forum much and I miss a lot of news that's posted there. I'm very interested in this project of yours.
     

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