I don't have a thermometer with a probe and I was just going by the inside the bator temps. It has been between 97 and 101 in my bator. Im thinking it may be too low still. I candled on day 5 and saw no veins. I just turned it up to where it is between 100 and 104 but I am afraid I am too late. What do you guys think? What are the temps inside your incubator when your water wiggler is in the right range?