i have to say thank you to foulweatherfriends and the folks who posted the sticky about how to intervene. i hatched out (am hatching out still) a group of seramas and without that info MANY of my babies would have died in the shell. the information is clear, concise and accurate. i know that there is "controversy" over opening the bator, helping eggs hatch, etc. and i'm not advising anyone to do what i did - obviously each situation is unique and there is going to be a lot of variation from one breed of chicken to the next . . . i'm just saying THANK YOU!!!!