Update 9/7-- Avian Leukosis!

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by VettekLisa, Aug 8, 2009.

  1. VettekLisa

    VettekLisa Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I have a pullet, about 9 months old. She has swollen lumps, I guess
    is what I'd call them, on her left foot between two toes, and on the
    left side of her face. She has not been sneezing, no discharge from
    the eyes or nose, eating ok. She is limping some because of the
    foot lump.
    I have been applying dilute betadine to the lumps and giving her
    Sulfatrim by mouth. The lumps do seem to be getting worse now.
    The one on the left side of her face has now extended above and
    below her eye. And her eye is now closed constantly. She is still
    eating.
    Any suggestions?
    I have a few pics, but they aren't the best as taking pics by yourself is never easy.

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  2. threehorses

    threehorses Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Did this baby come from vaccinated stock, vaccinated for Marek's? Can you get a picture of the bottom of her foot?

    Because of eye involvement, I would highly recommend getting the service of an *avian* vet, truthfully.

    Has the bird lost a good bit of weight?
     
  3. VettekLisa

    VettekLisa Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thanks for the reply, threehorses.

    I don't about the Marek's vaccination. I hatched this one
    from eggs bought off Ebay.

    I can get pics of the bottom of her foot tomorrow, but it looks
    pretty normal to me. She has lost a little weight in the last
    couple days, mostly because she can't see out of that eye to
    find the food now. I have been giving her yogurt mixed with
    the layer crumbles to encourage her to eat. She is still moving
    around the pen.

    None of the others are showing any symptoms like this at all.
    I was wondering if it could be actual tumors.
    I plan on taking her into my vet on Monday.
     
  4. threehorses

    threehorses Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Well if you hatched it and didnt' vaccinate the chickens, then no - they're not vaccinated unfortunately. PM me if you'd like some articles if you'd like to know more about that possibility.

    I'll look for the pictures of her foot. I'd like to hope it's just a staph infection and she somehow got it near her eye. I'm really curious what the vet says on Monday. I'm so sorry as she looks like a lovely little bird, and a real sweetheart.
     
  5. VettekLisa

    VettekLisa Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Just wanted to update this.
    We put "Muffy" to sleep today.
    She had stopped eating and drinking completely
    and was just laying in one spot not moving.

    My vet said that it looked like lymphoma to him from
    cytology results. I sent her to A&M for a necropsy to
    verify. No matter what it is I want to know.

    All the other chickens that were in the pen with her
    are completely normal still.
    Thanks for your help, threehorses.
     
  6. threehorses

    threehorses Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I'm very sorry to hear that you lost her. But I'm quite relieved to hear that you sent the results off to TAM to get a histo done.
    /hugs I wish I could have done more.
     
  7. VettekLisa

    VettekLisa Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Well, I got the necropsy report back today.
    It is Avian Leukosis.

    Since I sent Muffy off to the lab last Tuesday, I have now
    lost 2 more Silkies. Both buffs, of course. Neither one of
    these birds had any symptoms of anything. Just found them
    dead in the run.
    No one else is showing any symptoms of anything.

    Any suggestions?
     
  8. crazyhen

    crazyhen Overrun With Chickens

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    I am so sorry that you are dealing with this. It is very catching, and once they have it they become carriers. Use clorox strongly and scrub everything. Oxine can be sprayed over your birds and help kill the virus. It can pass vertically through the egg and also by feces. Where did you get your girls from?. Good luck with you pretty babies. Gloria Jean
     
  9. threehorses

    threehorses Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Oh, I'm so very sorry. ALV is absolutely some bad news.

    Virkon-S (only get the one ending with S) is listed as definitely being effective against avian leukosis of the sero-type J, the cause of Lymphoid (avian) Leukosis. Unfortunately, Oxine does not show AVL of any sero-type on their efficacy sheet ( http://www.bio-cide.com/uploads/Efficacy Oxine.pdf ).

    ALV is often asymptomatic, and it has a low morbidity (showing symptoms) and unfortunately high mortality. You're only really going to know if a histo is done, so honestly and practically you can assume that any bird that dies of Marek's symptoms or "mysteriously" can be likely ALV deaths.

    There are no vaccinations that have worked (they all cause shedding of the disease) but they're still trying to get one. There are no treatments. The only prevention is by eradication through culling and selective breeding.

    There are tests for LL using serology - in other words, live birds. I don't know at all how economically possible this would even be. What do you want to do with the flock? You can still keep them as pets - I would just never keep them with other birds as AVL is spread by the oral-fecal route, or through vertical transmission. You can never breed these to sell, never sell the hatching eggs, unless you can get the non-carriers identified and then retested in 4-6 months (the incubation time) to determine that they are indeed clean.

    I would contact the people who did your necropsy and ask if they can do the serological testing on birds - and just get the information. It commits you to nothing.

    Again, I'm so very sorry. [​IMG]
     
  10. VettekLisa

    VettekLisa Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you, threehorses.

    I am going to call Idexx labs tomorrow to find out how
    much testing would run. I know that there are 3
    different tests, and the one that uses cloacal swabs
    would be the easiest. Finding a vein in a black skinned
    silkie to draw blood from will not be the easiest thing to
    do.

    This was not good news for me. I bought these chickens
    especially to show and breed. Now I've got lavender silkies
    that are of no use to me, unless I get MAJORLY lucky and
    they turn up negative on 2 tests.

    How do large scale breeders deal with this kind of thing?
     

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