Now no one get carried away with this but I'm going on a diet starting on sunday and want to limit all animal products except eggs, yogurt, and maybe a little cheese. I know what you are thinking, PC, the idiot who eats silkies made a vegie thread. I've always been a vegie lover and don't eat all that much meat. 80% of the meat I do eat is from my own animals. White flour and white flour products, like many breads and pastas, is another thing going bye bye. Anyone who has read my posts should know I believe it's your right to eat what you want and believe moderate amounts of properly raised meats are appropriate for a balanced diet but what we decide to put in our mouths is a personal choice. Debate should be kept to a minimum and insults are expected.