very weird rumpless marans

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by kinnip, Nov 7, 2008.

  1. kinnip

    kinnip Chillin' With My Peeps

    Feb 24, 2008
    Carrollton, GA
    I have a Black Copper hen who is beautiful in every way, but she's totally rumpless. How does this happen? I've seen her parents and am familiar with their origin. As far as I know, none of her siblings have shown this trait. As I understand it, rumplessness is dominant, so I'm unclear as to how she got this gene without rumpless parents.
     
  2. Crunchie

    Crunchie Brook Valley Farm

    Mar 1, 2007
    Maryland
    I have no idea, but I hatched a Cuckoo Marans roo that was rumpless this year (he went to a friend's freezer). He came out of another breeder's eggs, so I can't be sure what the parent birds looked like. I'd be interested to hear other's experiences/opinions on this as well...
     
  3. lotzahenz

    lotzahenz Chillin' With My Peeps

    Aug 28, 2008
    Lexington, Kentucky
    Crunchie,
    Did you ever find out much about the Rumpless Marans? I am stumped, I have 5 from about 12 batches (all different breeders) of Marans eggs. I have no other breeds that this happened to, just trying to find out reason for it and if it is accidental (incubation) or inherited? If inherited, it needs to be bred out of the line somehow, as it's not the best look to have such messy butts. Thanks Henz
     
  4. kinnip

    kinnip Chillin' With My Peeps

    Feb 24, 2008
    Carrollton, GA
    I have since bred a couple of partially rumpless Marans. It's clearly a genetic feature. The partially rumpless birds really do look bad. The completely rumpless one looks really good, just not breed typical.
     
  5. kathyinmo

    kathyinmo Nothing In Moderation

    Do you have any pictures you could post? It's funny that I come across this thread, because yesterday I was looking at poultry at a breeder's lot .... and I would have sworn I saw a rumpless Marans. I thought I was just imagining it.
     
  6. Crunchie

    Crunchie Brook Valley Farm

    Mar 1, 2007
    Maryland
    Quote:Nope. [​IMG] Like I said, the one I hatched I got rid of. I don't know if he was truly rumpless (no tail at all) or just didn't ever have tail feathers. The best birds that I hatched from the same breeder's eggs went into my breeding pens, and I've hatched plenty from them. Haven't seen any other rumpless birds! I can tell you this: Marans "butts" are troublesome and need a lot of work! [​IMG] I don't know if it is related to having the occasional rumpless/tailless bird, but "squirrel tail," where the tail sits at a 90 degree angle or more to the bird's back, is a very common fault. I know I have a hard time finding or breeding birds with a decent tail set. I think in general most varieties of Marans need a lot of work on type. They were understandably bred for egg color first, but that left a big mess where type was concerned. That breeder that I hatched the rumpless bird from had the best egg color I'd ever seen in Cuckoos. They've worked hard on them a long time for that. But I've had any number of weird things pop up from that line! [​IMG] I've hatched white birds & golden cuckoos, and some pretty funky squirrel tails. I'm working on culling hard for type (also about 25% of my flock is clean-legged, so I'm working on breeding for all feather-legged, too) while not losing egg color. My original trio of Cuckoos has wonderful egg color--as dark or darker than any Black Copper eggs anyone has ever sold me--but I lost it in the second generation. [​IMG] It's one big never ending project! [​IMG]
     

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