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Water Soluble Wormers

Discussion in 'Managing Your Flock' started by casportpony, Mar 27, 2016.

  1. casportpony

    casportpony Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    From Farad:
    http://www.usfarad.org/drug-wdi-faqs.html


    • Fenbendazole
      Fenbendazole is approved as an oral suspension for laying hens in the United Kingdom for treatment of gastro-intestinal nematodes at a dose of 1mg/kg/bw for 5 days and has a zero day egg and six day meat withdrawal. In the US, since there is no tolerance, this withdrawal needs to be extended.
    • Piperazine
      There is one study looking at piperazine residues in the eggs of treated hens. Piperazine is approved for use in laying hens in Australia and Canada at doses ranging from 130 to 200mg/kg/body weight one time and a zero day egg and meat withdrawal. Because of the lack of a tolerance in the US, FARAD recommends a 17 day egg withdrawal for piperazine used at broiler label doses in laying hens.

    • Ivermectin
      There are limited studies available in the literature on the depletion of ivermectin residues from eggs. Given the limited studies and data available, FARAD cannot provide a blanket withdrawal interval recommendation and individuals are requested to submit a withdrawal interval request to FARAD.



    Wazine 17 - Piperazine 170 mg/ml - Treats only large round worms

    Not FDA approved for use in laying hens

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    Wazine 34 - Piperazine 340 mg/ml - Treats only large round worms

    Not FDA approved for use in laying hens

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    Pig Swig - piperazine 170 mg/ml - treats only large roundworms

    Not FDA approved for use in laying hens
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    WormOut Gel - Praziquantel 20 mg/ml and Oxfendazole 20 mg/ml

    Not FDA approved for use in poultry. Not banned, just not "approved", just like most other wormers.

    • For the treatment of Thread Worm (Capillaria spp.) Tapeworm (Raillietina spp, Choanotaenia spp.), Roundworm (Ascaridia spp.), Caecal Worm (Heterakis gallinarum), Hook Worm (Acuaria spp.) in caged and aviary birds and pigeons.

    Dose is 47 ml per gallon for 2 days




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    Safe-Guard AquaSol - fenbendazole 200 mg/ml


    http://www.merck-animal-health-usa....rd_AquaSol-_Product-_Label-__tcm96-185507.pdf
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    Panacur AquaSol - fenbendazole 200 mg/ml

    http://fs-1.5mpublishing.com/images/MSD/PDF/PAP PBulletin v8c FINAL.pdf
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    -Kathy
     
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  2. aart

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    Title missing an 'r'....says 'womers' instead of 'wormers'.

    What's your thoughts on providing some kind of withdrawal periods for these products?
     
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    Title fixed, thanks.

    As for egg withdrawal, used as directed, the fenbendazole products shown above have no egg withdrawal in the UK. Unfortunately, used as directed will not treat capillary worms. Capillary worms require a much higher dose, so would be best to research that and/or consult with a vet.

    Piperazine... I think most people wait two weeks, but not sure where that number came from. Same for the WormOut Gel. Again, reasearch and/or consult with a vet.

    -Kathy
     
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    aart Chicken Juggler! Premium Member

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    Kathy, I feel withdrawals, or advice on contacting vet, should be noted with each dosage given.....
    ......just a CYA and good to prompt people to think before using them.

    Vet from my state has a great FB page discussing diagnosis' and some files on treatments and issues.
    Very good file there on current Common Egg Withdrawal Times in the US....
    ...what's approved, what's used off label and what's banned per FARAD.

    You, and anyone else reading this thread, might want to join and take a look at that group...lots of good learning there.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/552851661524633/
     
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  5. casportpony

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    I guess I should add a disclaimer to all my posts, lol. [​IMG]

    Are there any wormers banned by FARAD?
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    -Kathy
     
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    casportpony Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    So while looking around the FARAD site I think I found a typo:
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    Pretty sure that's suposed to say 0.024%, *not* 0.014%. [​IMG] Does no one proof read and check for errors?

    Directions for AmprMed P:
    http://www.drugs.com/vet/ampromed-p-for-poultry-20-soluble-powder.html

    FDA recommendations:
    http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=013-149
    "Chickens
    Indications: For the treatment of coccidiosis.
    Amount: Administer at the 0.012 percent level in drinking water as soon as coccidiosis is diagnosed and continue for 3 to 5 days (in severe outbreaks, give amprolium at the 0.024 percent level); continue with 0.006 percent amprolium-medicated water for an additional 1 to 2 weeks."

    Would love to check out the Facebook link, but that would mean creating a Facebook account.

    -Kathy
     
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    http://www.farad.org/vetgram/ProductInfo.asp?byNada=200-496
    [​IMG]

    Pretty sure that's suposed to say 0.024%, *not* 0.014%.

    Directions for AmprMed P:
    http://www.drugs.com/vet/ampromed-p-for-poultry-20-soluble-powder.html

    FDA recommendations:
    http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=013-149
    "Chickens
    Indications: For the treatment of coccidiosis.
    Amount: Administer at the 0.012 percent level in drinking water as soon as coccidiosis is diagnosed and continue for 3 to 5 days (in severe outbreaks, give amprolium at the 0.024 percent level); continue with 0.006 percent amprolium-medicated water for an additional 1 to 2 weeks."

    -Kathy
     
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    Does anyone have a copy of Gale Damerow's Chicken Health Handbook? If so, can you check to see if it says that one can use Ivomec (ivermectin) at 4cc per gallon of water? If it does, that info is not correct, injectable ivermectin is not water soluble and will float to the top in minutes.

    -Kathy
     
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