If you're in the UK, the first one might be an araucana. I have only seen pics of them on feathersite, so not sure but believe they have crests and muffs over there.
What color are the roo's legs? Are they a slate? and I too have seen and read that the standard for Araucana in the UK is like this one, with the tail and with the tuft. In fact, black EE's in this country are not very prominent are they? I know Sand Hill has a line of Ameraucanas that are black. Remember, we go by the APA, as in American Poultry Assoc. Standards here. UK and Europe have a whole different book and a lot more breeds and colors to consider.