What color are these Classic Old Frills?

Discussion in 'Pigeons and Doves' started by NewHopePoultry, Aug 19, 2012.

  1. NewHopePoultry

    NewHopePoultry Crowing

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    Sorry the pics arent good, I had to use my phone.

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  2. jerryf

    jerryf In the Brooder

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    They are Opal bars. One has the correct dark gray bar on its tail. the other has some white in its tail bar.
    Old Classic frills are very tame, calm birds. I enjoyed mine I had a few years back
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  3. Faith SL

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    Yes, like Jerryf says, one is a Blue Opal Bar Satinette, plain tail. The other is the same color with spot tail (the white pattern in the tail feathers). It has one, if not more plain tail feathers though, so unless it moults those out and they grow back with the white spot (if the bird is young and still needs to moult into adult plumage) the COF may not be a true spot tail. The second has a bit of 'rust' color in the bars. It would be neat to see how they look and how their color turns out when the moult is over.

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    Good luck with them!
     
  4. ThiefPouter06

    ThiefPouter06 Songster

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  5. Faith SL

    Faith SL Chirping

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    You are completely right about the color being called Bluette - I get confused sometimes between the correct terms for different breeds of pigeons. And I should have known what the correct name for the color was since I kept Bluettes before... *sigh*. Thanks for setting the correct color term straight. [​IMG]

    As for opal bar bred to opal bar equaling dead squabs, I have never heard of that before. With what breed of pigeon has that been a known issue, and has it only been known with opal bars or with other variations of opal as well? I know with Birmingham Rollers, almonds bred to almonds can equal young which are blind when hatched or physically weak as they mature. Also bull eyed Rollers bred to bull eyed Rollers for over three generations can lead to birds which oddly 'tilt' one way or the other when standing or walking and have a more difficult time kitting.
     
  6. ThiefPouter06

    ThiefPouter06 Songster

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    Opal, like almond, is a semi lethal gene. Opals are heterozygous (one gene). As with ALmond you should never mate two opals. I cant remember if they die in shell or soon after hatching. If you mate opal to opal you probably only see a pair with reduced fertility. Now thats dominant opal. There is also recessive opal and its not semi lethal.
     
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  7. Faith SL

    Faith SL Chirping

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    Very interesting, I did not know that the opal color could be dangerous to the development of youngsters like almond is. I know of an esteemed breeder of Birmingham Rollers who used to work primarily with his opal line of birds, but until now I never realized that for every opal pairing he had to have a bird of correct performance, type, and possessing a different color to be paired off to that excellent opal bird. I will definitely keep that in mind for later when pairing off any opal birds, and thank you very much for informing me about this!
     
  8. ThiefPouter06

    ThiefPouter06 Songster

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    No problem. I like opal as well. When I bred them it was with a line of blue bar rollers. I dont think you need a line of opals and blue bars but blue bars that look good when bred to opal. My blue bars were dirty(the effect) so the opal bar birds were blues with root beer brown bars.
     
  9. aaabirdman

    aaabirdman Songster

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    enjoy the classic old frills they're great
     
  10. karen69

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    Bluette Satinettes
     

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