what do you get when you cross chocolate(not dun based) and splash?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by klf73, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. klf73

    klf73 Mad Scientist

    Jun 1, 2008
    Maine
    I was considering working on a project but need to know how to approach it with what I have/am getting.
    IF I were to take a chocolate roo and put him over some black hens. I know I will have choc split cockerals and chocolate hens.
    To improve the type of the bird I am working on I need to cross these project cross girls to the breed, I am working on adding the color to, roo.
    The problem is I don't have a black roo anymore. I only have a splash one. What would be my outcome if I put this splash roo over the F1 chocolate hens?
     
  2. smoothmule

    smoothmule Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Can you not get a black rooster for them? You might consider breeding chocolate pullets back to the chocolate rooster then take the chocolate cockerels from that to your black hens. You won't be loosing that much and with chocolate roosters that are the best type, you can catch up with the type you want
     
  3. Illia

    Illia Crazy for Colors

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    You'll get blues instead of blacks. The chocolates will turn out a very interesting color. Basically just breed back to black or chocolate. It won't hurt, really, as long as you don't work with blue again, or if you do, only once. And know who carries it and who doesn't!
     
  4. klf73

    klf73 Mad Scientist

    Jun 1, 2008
    Maine
    Quote:I don't have any blues that I would use for this project so that isn't an issue.

    question though, again. If I took the blue roo(F2) and put over one of the "interesting" chocolates (F2) I "should" get a chocolate cockeral, right? I can then take this chocolate and put him back over my pure blacks(hens that weren't in original cross), am I correct? The splash I spoke of is unrelated also....

    smoothmule- problem with breeding the F1 chocolate hens to the original rooster is they are different breeds(egg color is a factor too). I will lose ground on type by bringing back to the original roo. I just culled my black roo because I didn't think I would get a chance to work on this and I needed to downsize [​IMG]
     
  5. MuckyPuppy

    MuckyPuppy Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Very interesting.

    Ok well, I think (in my limited knowlege) that if someone were to put a black roo with chocolate hens then it would result in around 50% split roos and 50% back hens. So I would guess (and it is a guess) that a blue or splash over chocolate hens would also result in 50% split roos and 50% blue? hens.

    I hope you get the answers you need.
     
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  6. Chickangel79

    Chickangel79 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    =MuckyPuppy]Very interesting.

    Ok well, I think (in my limited knowlege) that if someone were to put a black roo with chocolate hens then it would result in around 50% split roos and 50% back hens. So I would guess (and it is a guess) that a blue or splash over chocolate hens would also result in 50% split roos and 50% blue? hens.

    I hope you get the answers you need.

    Black Roo and chocolate should make just black... if your male has a chocolate gene it will have 50% black and 50% black with the chocolate gene.

    (It's what I have written in my book anyway lol )​
     
  7. klf73

    klf73 Mad Scientist

    Jun 1, 2008
    Maine
    not correct. chocolate is not the same as other colors/patterns, like lavender/mottle or cuckoo; where the birds carry the color/trait but don't express it. The pullet only needs one copy to express it, the cockeral needs 2. so first cross will give you chocolate pullets and a black split for chocolate.

    I just needed to figure out how to use the birds I already have to improve type and egg color to the breed I am working on adding it into.
    the best way is to have a chocolate roo to put over my black hens, but I have to create that chocolate roo more towards the standard I am working with....
    best way would definitely be a black roo(of breed I am introducing to) but I don't have one, just splash. I don't mind having culls as long as I can get what I need, which would be a chocolate roo with the traits I need to put over my black hens
     
  8. Illia

    Illia Crazy for Colors

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    Like I said, they'll all carry blue when you cross Splash x Chocolate, so the thing to do is, yes, you can use the Splash, but just pick out only the non-blue and non-splash carriers in the second generation. [​IMG]

    I'm sure (but don't know as a fact) blue affects Chocolate, so you'll easily see the difference.
     
  9. klf73

    klf73 Mad Scientist

    Jun 1, 2008
    Maine
    was that what mauve is? I can't remember the "formula" for that one....
     
  10. Illia

    Illia Crazy for Colors

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    Never even heard of it. But, I don't read or get myself much into Chocolate.
     

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