What is this color called?

Discussion in 'Pigeons and Doves' started by lightchick, Aug 11, 2014.

  1. lightchick

    lightchick Overrun With Chickens

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    This is my West of England hen and she's only a little over a year old.
    I really don't know what to call her color! She was snatched up by a hawk once and came back a day later with no injuries!
    What do you think?
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    She was bred to this cock twice.
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    This was one of the babies the first time. (the other baby had to be put to sleep, but he was dark brown/black) Don't know what to call this color either.
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    The second time there was only one baby and this is what he turned out to be. Don't know this ones color either.
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  2. paramount

    paramount Out Of The Brooder

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    Your first bird (hen), appears to be a Dun (that is dilute black. "Black" is Spread Blue)

    The cock is a Yellow Grizzle (Dilute Ash Red with a grizzle factor. He appears to have some ticking, which means he carries blue-black).

    Bird #3 is a Dilute Tortoiseshell. (A Tort. is grizzle with Tippler Bronze)

    Bird #4 is a Dilute Lavender (that is Dilute Spread Ash Red. This is the spread version of Cream)
     
  3. lightchick

    lightchick Overrun With Chickens

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    Awesome! What about this one? This one is the Duns half sibling. They have the same dad, but not the same mom.
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    This is the father. The mother died last winter so I had to get a different hen, but the mother of the Dun was pure black.
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    This is the new hen I got. Mother of the baby above. She's obviously white. lol (she's blind in one eye too)
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  4. loftkeeper

    loftkeeper Chillin' With My Peeps

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    the first pic is a brow n the splash is hard to tell guessing a cream the cock is blue check most whites in the west breed are ash red grizzles that have been bred grizzle to grizzle which will cause them to wash out and look white on second thought the splash cock could be a tort that didn't color right some breeds have genetics that are different until you know alittle about them
     
  5. paramount

    paramount Out Of The Brooder

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    Loftkeeper is correct that the white Wests are genetically grizzles. At one time, was developing them. That was well over 20 years ago and he was an active promoter of this breed. He used grizzles to create his whites. Grizzles were the best choice because they needed to retain the pearl eye, where as utilizing Baldheads would have perpetuated bull eyes. It was never clear if Pete was the first to create a family of whites or if that is just the route he took to do it. He kept about 500+ Wests.

    Bird #1 is a typical grizzle (similar to the birds Pete used to create his whites, by the way). She appears to be Ash-Red, but it is pretty hard to tell in the photo. She may actually be a Light Tort. if there is any blue/bronze among the grizzled plumage.

    Bird #2 is a Blue T-Check. In rollers we classify that as a Dark Check. Since this is the father of your Dun hen, he should carry dilute (open loft?). If that is the case, even on a non-dilute hen, he will produce dilute daughters (25% approx.). Those birds will be short downed at hatching and you can sex them in the nest by down length - hens. Half the sons will carry dilute. If you bred him to a dilute hen, you could get dilute sons and daughters (25% of each - approx. - all short downed), as well as normal sons and daughters. The normal sons will also carry dilute, like their father. (The normal hens are just what they appear to be and will not/cannot carry dilute).

    Bird #3 is a typical white. Genetically, she will be grizzle. If memory serves right, most of the white Wests are genetically Ash-Reds, because they found it very difficult, if not impossible to get self whites out of blue/black grizzles or torts as the blue always expressed itself in some way.
     

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