When is a breed not a breed?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by halo, Apr 29, 2009.

  1. halo

    halo Got The Blues

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    I forwarded this post of mine from the barred rock thread to start a new discussion, so I don't hijack the previous thread.

    This brings up some interesting points. At what point is a breed not a breed? Obviously, barred rocks with white legs havent been bred to standard, and probably havent been for a while. Its a disqualification, according to the SOP. So are they barred rocks? I have been following some of the marans discussion, and some people think that a marans hen that doesnt lay at least a 4 egg isnt a marans, just due to the definition.

    I would think Orpington breeders would be horrified to end up with chicks with yellow legs; hopefully they wouldnt be used as breeders, but would they still be Orpingtons?

    If a breeder is breeding dalmations, and has a pup with no spots, is that pup still a dalmation?

    Is breed definition defined by the animal standing in front of you, or does it depend on his genetic heritage?
     
  2. Domestic_goddess

    Domestic_goddess Chillin' With My Peeps

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    My head is spinning from all that!......so I'll just give you bump and see what others might say!
     
  3. rodriguezpoultry

    rodriguezpoultry Langshan Lover

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    In my book, a breed stops being a breed when individuals start taking on separate breed attributes.

    For example. Is this a Weimeriner or a Labrador?
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    The body looks nothing like a Labrador, yet the fur says Weimereiner. Yet the ears say Labrador.
     
  4. okiehen

    okiehen Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Yes its still a Dalmatian and DNA would back this up.

    Some smart intelligent person needs to start DNA testing chickens.
    I was thinking the other day if DNA would or is being used in chickens.
     
  5. geareduplyn

    geareduplyn Chillin' With My Peeps

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    When showing, the phenotype is the only thing a judge can go by. We are not yet recquired to have a DNA certificate as well. I've seen some cross breeds that were wonderful examples of a breed.
     
  6. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    You could say it ceases to be a breed when it stops breeding true (BBS colors aside), but then , what is the difference between that and just an odd bird popping up on occasion, such as BBS Orps producing chicks with yellow legs from when a certain hatchery bred in Blue Rocks? Good discussion here.
     
  7. Foxhound lady

    Foxhound lady Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Just because a barred rock doestnt have yellow legs doesnt mean its not a barred rock.

    Sable is a DQ color in cocker spaniels and you see a lot of them running around doesnt mean that they arent cocker spaniels [​IMG]
     
  8. geareduplyn

    geareduplyn Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Yes its still a Dalmatian and DNA would back this up.

    Some smart intelligent person needs to start DNA testing chickens.
    I was thinking the other day if DNA would or is being used in chickens.

    I would hope that even though it is still a Dalmation. It would be spayed or neutered and placed as a pet.
     
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  9. rodriguezpoultry

    rodriguezpoultry Langshan Lover

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    Quote:Yet they are poor examples of a breed and will only continue to breed more inferior examples which could be sold as a breed that they represented once upon a time.
     
  10. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    I would not breed a Barred Rock with white legs, personally, unless I was crossing it with something else to make some sort of hybrid.
     

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