White X BBRed = ?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by Rosecomb-Ryan, Nov 15, 2011.

  1. Rosecomb-Ryan

    Rosecomb-Ryan East Indie Crazed

    Apr 12, 2008
    Sacramento CA
    Ok now.. I am wanting to work on a project.. hoping to get Red Pyles at some point out of the project.. The cock-bird is a Recessive White that carries Blue... Then the hen is a BBRed? And Ideas?
     

  2. draye

    draye Crowing

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    I'd definately be intrested in the answer also.
     
  3. nicalandia

    nicalandia Crowing

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    Quote:it depends on the "e" allele the recessive white is based one.. lets assume it is based on WildType(e+) and blue also(Bl/bl+) and mated to a wildtype(Black Breasted Red) that is none blue(bl+/bl+) you will get a 50% chance of been a blue breasted red...

    the best Red Pyle are based on Heterozygous Dominant white(I/i+) and Black Breasted Red, so if you want some plyles then the recessive white is not the way to go..
     
  4. sjarvis00

    sjarvis00 Songster

    May 4, 2009
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    Nicalandia is correct,
    You really have two options in the rosecomb, Breed the Blue red splash to a clean white with red hackle, saddle etc. till have a Red Pyle, But if it were me I would outcross to OE then Run an F1xF1 select back for Rosecomb and Color then work type it will likely take 3-5 generations.
     

  5. NYREDS

    NYREDS Crowing

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    You don't say what breed. Assuming it's OEGB why not just get some Red Pyles. There are lots of good ones around.
     
  6. nicalandia

    nicalandia Crowing

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    Quote:True..

    Or you can have fun and re making them using other genes.. out of the possible genes that are capable of making a BBR into a Red Pyle(Dominant white, Splash, Dun,). Dun could be about the best way, why? well seems like unlike Dominant white or Splash, Dun does NOT dilute pheomelanin(gold color)..

    this is a Fawn Duckwing "Sport"(homozygous for Dun I^D/I^D) not my birds

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    Splash Based Red Pyle or Blue Breasted Red "Sports" in the OEG breeding Circles
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    and an Original Red Pyle OEG based on Homozygous Dominant White(I/I) as you see homzygous dominant white can fade the red color alot..
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  7. Pyncheon guy

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    Ryan is breeding Rosecombs......and wanting to know of the cross between these two Rosecomb varieties. Nice photos of Old English.....beautiful color varieties.
     

  8. nicalandia

    nicalandia Crowing

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    Quote:it shows you how one can arrive at same phenotype(Looks) with different genes
     
  9. Pyncheon guy

    Pyncheon guy Songster

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    I love working with different genes as well......I'm experimenting with about 6 different varieties of Pyncheons....I really want to improve the Silver Mille Fleur variety. Nice thread!!!!
     

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